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re: We Own This City coming to HBO in April

Posted on 5/30/22 at 9:08 pm to
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 9:08 pm to
Every time I think the show is making Jenkins into a cartoon character I go to the authors Twitter and find out he word for word did this shite

Posted by Peter167
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 9:54 pm to
They're trying to make us feel bad for Wayne Jenkins in this one. All i need to remember he robbed a midget stripper a few ep back.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 9:56 pm to
the Fed Civil rights lawyer is so bad, Its unwatchable did they dub her voice, the acting is atrocious
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 10:06 pm to
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They're trying to make us feel bad for Wayne Jenkins in this one.


Sorta, it’s more to hammer that Wayne is a product of a fricked up department and not that the department is a product of him.

He was awarded for his behavior
Posted by 3oliv3
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 11:09 pm to
The Sean Suiter storyline was a gut punch. Glad I didn’t google anything about him beforehand and get spoiled. This was a fantastic show and it really showed how fricked up our institutions can be. If you know David Simon on Twitter you know this could have been 100x more political but it being based on the reporting of a solid journalist kept him from that- which is why the only real political expounding you got was from the stuff that happened outside the gun trace task force.

Kind of hilarious that the Civil Rights Lawyer’s answer was to throw her hands up and go frick it! It’s all fricked! Which gets us back to Jenkins and most of the police department’s view. frick it, why not. Anyway they’re both wrong and they both suck.
Posted by Large Farva
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Posted on 5/30/22 at 11:36 pm to
I wished they’d have shown real pictures of all of the police in gttf at the end. That was a bit underwhelming.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 6:48 am to
Love how she called for more programs in the finale

Preach
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 5/31/22 at 8:33 am to
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The Sean Suiter storyline was a gut punch. Glad I didn’t google anything about him beforehand and get spoiled. This was a fantastic show and it really showed how fricked up our institutions can be. If you know David Simon on Twitter you know this could have been 100x more political but it being based on the reporting of a solid journalist kept him from that- which is why the only real political expounding you got was from the stuff that happened outside the gun trace task force.


it really showed with the justice lady being made up. I get that they wanted someone in there to be idealistic at the start and have their will broken by the end but the actress sucked and the role was a poorly written stereotype of a liberal do-gooder

Everything else from the show is taken from reality, some dialog straight from court records and recordings.
Posted by Cole Beer
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Posted on 6/1/22 at 12:48 pm to
Would recommend The Slow Hustle on HBO Max, which is a documentary about Sean Suiter.

By the way, for both dirty cops and lower level drug dealers I can see how it can get complicated, how the ends justify the means. Some feel compelled to do the wrong things for the right reasons.

The real assholes are at the top of the food chain.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 2:25 pm to
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Being a former cop, I’m not a huge fan of the anti-police slant this show and the doc both tend to have at times, but I also understand it because these dudes were extremely corrupt so frick them.


I just finished the show and thought it was great but at the same time gave me a new perspective of what black people are dealing with all over the country, as I’m sure what went on in Baltimore is happening all over the country. Not saying all cops are bad at all, but hopefully this raises awareness and gets some of these a-hole cops off the streets somehow.
Posted by Lunchbox48
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 7/17/22 at 3:25 pm to
The real problem is the war on drugs. It has been a complete failure in preventing abuse of illegal drugs and has dramatically increased violent crimes. Trying to enforce terrible drug policies has created almost all of the police brutality situations, increased corruption, and amplified mistrust.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 7:05 am to
Finally watched this the last few nights—mainly due to Chris Ryan’s Wayne Jenkins’ “impersonation” on “The Rewatchables.” I really liked it and thought it was better than I expected. I didn’t know it was only ever. Supposed to be one short season—I assumed it just wasn’t picked up. I thought Berhthal was great, and he really nailed all the Baltimore
“O”s. (What is the deal with that very specific part of what seems to be a pretty normal accent otherwise? Where did it come from? And why does Matt Moscona do it when I don’t think he ever lived anywhere near Baltimore to have picked it up? Do other parts of the country really say their “O”s like that?)

Anyway, I liked it, and I think a lot of you really missed the point and overplayed the politics of this series. Yes, it was very political, but I don’t think it was as left/right, black/white (pun intended) as y’all are making it. But it is the MSB and you will find stuff to bitch about when it comes to that when you go so desperately out of your way to find it. This once great board is almost unreadable now. Most of the bad cops were black. Hell, most of the cops were black. I think that’s more just a representation of the demographics of Baltimore.

And yeah, Hersl and Jenkins were terrible (more on that later), but the 2 best were probably new Superman (I know nobody’s posted in this thread in 3 years, but could anybody have predicted that dude would be donning the red cape just a few years later?) and that bald guy he hooked up with early on to run whatever their multi-jurisdictional task force was called.

Speaking of, I think one of the bigger themes of the show—and maybe just crime and policing in modern urban American cities in general—was a subtle 2 line exchange between them in the 1st episode. Superman, upon realizing just how fricked up everything is, says “We’re really not making a dent in this shite are we?” Something like that. And the bald guy said something cynical like “you’re just now figuring that out?” It’s just a never-ending cycle that the best you could hope for is to maintain the status quo. Like somebody mentioned, there is no winning the “War on Drugs.” Everybody loses. “Winning” is simply just being alive and not in jail at the end of every day. For cops, criminals, and civilians. Hell, even a couple of the dirty cops knew they’d eventually wind up in prison or dead, they were just gonna ride that gravy train as long as they could.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 7:58 am to
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Sorta, it’s more to hammer that Wayne is a product of a fricked up department and not that the department is a product of him.


It was both. Wayne came in idealistic. (I thought they did a bad job with timelines. Too easy to get them confused. The only way you knew when it was was with the date they typed into the old computers and Bernthal’s facial hair and hair do). But right after current Wayne—or Wayne from 2 years ago, hard to tell—gives that amazing speech at the opening with the longer hair and stubble, it goes to a flashback of him from I guess 2003–so 14 years from the most current timeline—in what I assume was his 1st day on the street as a beat cop. He’s clean shaven and hair short. And he walks down the street twirling his baton and finds that older man walking out of a liquor store. And they just stare at each other. You can see it in Wayne’s eyes he’s not sure what to do. You can see his mind—his angel and devil—battling on what his move should be. We find out a bit later in a scene that should have come before this one as it took place before this, maybe even that morning. And he decides to take his baton and break that old man’s beer bottle as hard as he could. He was sending a message to that man, to the streets of Baltimore, to the audience, and to himself, that that’s who he was going to be. “Wayne Jenkins” was born right there when he decided he was going to be a wolf and not a sheep. You can either “own the city” or get owned by it. And Wayne Jenkins was not gonna get owned by the streets of the city of Baltimore.

But the other scene I mentioned was the morning of his 1st day. And he walked into the squad room and was looking around, taking it all in, and started looking at the plaques on the wall. He walked around slowly looking at them and walked right up to one. You could tell he was thinking about his name one day being on a plaque like that hanging on the wall, celebrating him for all his years of good service. Wayne Jenkins was idealistic. But not for long.

His trainer came up to him, poured a cup of coffee—Wayne declined—and told him to “forget all that shite they taught you at the academy.” Cut to 2 years later, and Wayne is now the trainer, HE is drinking the coffee, he tells the new guy (Yang?) to sit in the very chair he had sat in just 2 years ago, and basically gives him the “forget all that shite you learned” line almost verbatim. Completely different dude just 2 years later, but he realized real quick you have to be a wolf to survive. And Wayne Jenkins decided to be a wolf when he smashed that man’s beer bottle a couple scenes before.

So yeah, Wayne was definitely a product of the system, but he perpetuated the cycle by teaching it to the next guy. But it wasn’t about corruption as much as sheer survival. The corruption was a by-product of the mayor or somebody wanting to run for Governor and maybe the Obama administration if they were getting federal funding just throwing a shite/ton of money at the problem (“the faucet is wide open” or something was a line they used) and they didn’t care about solving the problem as much as they cared about the perception that they were solving the problem. Stats were all that mattered. How many arrests did they make? How many guns did they “take off the street?” (Guns they often planted). They made tons of bad arrests just to tally up their scores. And were rewarded for it with unlimited overtime (that they didn’t even work) being approved, promotions, and realizing they could double dip by appearing as witnesses in court.

And I imagine it sucks to be a cop in any urban American city, but Baltimore, especially after Freddie Gray and that aftermath (forget what you think about that incident, it certainly caused almost unprecedented tension). Cops had to deal with not knowing whether they would make it home at night. And for the shite pay (that they should have got), it was easy to justify all the skimming off the top they were doing. Power corrupts, and the Baltimore PD was given a lot of power. Almost everybody would taken a little here or there. Hell, the one guy who said he tossed his share because it was too much said he had to take it or the guys in his unit would think he either already was or was destined to be a snitch.

So yeah, I don’t think it was an indictment on the cops of Baltimore at the time, or even the criminals. shite was always gonna go this way. That’s how the system was set up.

One of my favorite scenes was when Wayne got arrested and the fat new Police Commissioner walked into the interrogation room to see Wayne and they had an epic staring contest. Wayne didn’t fricking blink. Commoner walks out and says, “Everyone else eventually turned their heads, this motherfricker didn’t even blink.” Was that because Wayne was just a super confident badass by this time? Sure. But I think it was more about him having actually convinced himself he hadn’t done anything wrong. And with the way the system was set up to reward guys like him, he had a good point. (That scene earlier when he brought the little crabs to party and caught shite for how small they were, but that was all he could afford, was really effective at helping understand his character.)

But the final scene where he’s starting to break down in his cell, having flashbacks to earlier in his career, then walks out into the yard and starts looking around, you can see that he’s almost incredulous about how he got there. Starting to doubt, if not flat out regret, some of things he did that lead him there. Maybe there wasn’t really moral justification for some of the shite he did. Maybe he wasn’t just a victim. Maybe he was never the hero. Maybe he didn’t have to be such a wolf to survive. “How the frick did I wind up here? How is this now my life? What if I just hadn’t broken that fricking old man’s beer bottle?”
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 9:07 am to
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Mini series or one shots have become increasingly attractive in the last few years.


And HBO does them better than anybody. + David Simon, yea, I'm all in.
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