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re: True Detective S3 Finale - Sunday 8PM
Posted on 2/26/19 at 1:51 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
Posted on 2/26/19 at 1:51 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
I think you're right.
The dolls "leading him to the body" and being part of someone taunting law enforcement.
Nah, a little girl just dropped them.
I think it is still a great season, with the themes being Hayes dementia, and people freaking out over things they don't understand.
The dolls "leading him to the body" and being part of someone taunting law enforcement.
Nah, a little girl just dropped them.
I think it is still a great season, with the themes being Hayes dementia, and people freaking out over things they don't understand.
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Posted on 2/26/19 at 2:09 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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The story is about Hays and not the case. The case drove Hays insane and it effected his personal life and relationships.
TD is my favorite television series of all time. S1 is the greatest 6 episode run of TV ever. S2 isn't as bad as everyone thinks and S3 is phenomenal until the finale.
but as long as the show is called True Detective, the detective parts of the show have to start meaning something. I know the show is about the characters and how the case affects them and their lives, but the cases themselves have been wrapped up in horrific fashion in all three seasons.
i just watched 8 hours of a 2x academy award winner playing a man who's mind is falling apart, his terrible marriage, failed relationship with his partner and it turned out that it was all because some rich crazy lady kidnapped a little girl and accidentally killed her brother and an entire family was destroyed and no one faced any consequences. there has to be a payoff to these kind of shows and i'm struggling to determine what that is in TDS3.
This post was edited on 2/26/19 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 2/26/19 at 2:48 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
You can't just take away that not all cases are as crazy as you hope for?
I think the general audience has to have some outlandish twist or extremely difficult to figure out case to make them feel good about it. I've even seen other shows where the detective has been hell bent on a certain case because of the way a piece of evidence was presented when somebody had just picked it up and thought it was dirty.
This was not a hard case to solve and shows that in real life, what seemingly is overblown is just misunderstood and can be explained simply.
Whose to say if the AG didn't try to sweep it under the rug because an ongoing investigation that spanned decades and would tarnish his career actually allowed Hays and West to continue that it wouldn't have been solved in only a few years or sooner. Then it would be an easy case and nothing special. However, those things did happen and Hays had dementia that caused the longevity and mystery behind the case. People over speculating is what caused this case to be overblown and not the case. This is shown through Hays. The audience also became this way.
I think the general audience has to have some outlandish twist or extremely difficult to figure out case to make them feel good about it. I've even seen other shows where the detective has been hell bent on a certain case because of the way a piece of evidence was presented when somebody had just picked it up and thought it was dirty.
This was not a hard case to solve and shows that in real life, what seemingly is overblown is just misunderstood and can be explained simply.
Whose to say if the AG didn't try to sweep it under the rug because an ongoing investigation that spanned decades and would tarnish his career actually allowed Hays and West to continue that it wouldn't have been solved in only a few years or sooner. Then it would be an easy case and nothing special. However, those things did happen and Hays had dementia that caused the longevity and mystery behind the case. People over speculating is what caused this case to be overblown and not the case. This is shown through Hays. The audience also became this way.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 2:54 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
A great scene from the show demonstrating the panic around the crime was when the school bus shows up the day after the police announce that the dolls were handed out on Halloween.
Nobody sends their kids to school. They're all terrified.
"It lived in their imagination". Then, as we see in 1990, the "whole town died" because of the crime, and the killings at Woodards.
That's a cool concept in itself. One lady's personal tragedy and broken attempt at repairing her life cost so many people so much.
We want it to be bigger or to mean more, or to have "evil conspirators" or "monsters" attached to it. The fact that the reality is relatively mundane is almost as haunting as anything.
Nobody sends their kids to school. They're all terrified.
"It lived in their imagination". Then, as we see in 1990, the "whole town died" because of the crime, and the killings at Woodards.
That's a cool concept in itself. One lady's personal tragedy and broken attempt at repairing her life cost so many people so much.
We want it to be bigger or to mean more, or to have "evil conspirators" or "monsters" attached to it. The fact that the reality is relatively mundane is almost as haunting as anything.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 3:11 pm to Numberwang
Just had a thought. Did anyone in the show say what hays condition actually was? I only remember them referring to it as “a condition” or “this condition”. Don’t know if it would mean anything but I was just wondering
Posted on 2/26/19 at 3:19 pm to J_Hingle
They never name it. The doctor comes close. But they never say alzheimers or dementia.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 3:55 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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I think the general audience has to have some outlandish twist or extremely difficult to figure out case to make them feel good about it.
one of my complaints about NP is he throws out a ton of red herrings, or leaves way too many things unanswered. Season 1 was really egregious in this respect.
i get that he's writing a character study first and a mystery second, but if that's the case he should tone down the cliffhangers and red herrings. All that stuff lends itself to the audience focusing on, and trying to solve the mystery and not appreciating characters.
This post was edited on 2/26/19 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 2/26/19 at 4:01 pm to 632627
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For all intents and purposes,
Maybe the first time I've seen this used correctly on here.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 4:06 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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You can't just take away that not all cases are as crazy as you hope for?
it doesn't have to be crazy, it just has to mean something.
literally no one gave a frick about poor dead Will all season. the mother was murdered, the father was murdered, etc. and no one faced any consequences for any of it.
the big bad of the season was stunt casted with a well-known villanous actor for him to have one scene in which he tells us that he doesn't know what's going on either.
half the audience thought Hays wife was the killer for half the season. the dolls didn't matter, will's pose didn't matter, the phone call from julie didn't really matter, killing harris james didn't matter, freddy burns didn't matter, etc.
If Pizzolatto wants to write stories about how crimes affect those who live through them, the title of the show should be True Crime, not True Detective.
This post was edited on 2/26/19 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 2/26/19 at 4:13 pm to 632627
But that would happen in real life as well. A detective is specialized in finding what's relevant and what's not.
We bought into it. You ran with it. Other people can have their own theories that make you think differently than yours. The season 1 tie in was a theory by the interviewer.
If it was all exactly tied together like a bow, a simple TV show audience member can be a major crimes detective.
We bought into it. You ran with it. Other people can have their own theories that make you think differently than yours. The season 1 tie in was a theory by the interviewer.
If it was all exactly tied together like a bow, a simple TV show audience member can be a major crimes detective.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 4:20 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
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literally no one gave a frick about poor dead Will all season
Julie's missing case answer will lead to his answers and it did with the black man with one eye. There was only the dolls to help find what happened to Will and they figured out essentially who it was but the wrong black guy.
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and no one faced any consequences for any of it.
There is nobody to convict. They are all dead. Hays son will likely continue the case in his own but the season was about Hays. Hays story ended in the note scene. The case lived on with Hays son as he put the note in the pocket.
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big bad of the season was stunt casted with a well-known villanous actor for him to have one scene in which he tells us that he doesn't know what's going on either.
Proving that all could have been explained easily but was overblown because the audience believed into a larger conspiracy that didn't really happen.
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the dolls didn't matter, will's pose didn't matter, the phone call from julie didn't really matter,
See above
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killing harris james
Mattered to Hays well being and why he couldn't push anymore into the investigation officially
Posted on 2/26/19 at 4:20 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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But that would happen in real life as well.
i'm not watching reality tv tho. if i want what always happens in real life, i'd just watch forensic files.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 4:21 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
So you want spoon fed info with only one direction? Boring.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 4:22 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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But that would happen in real life as well. A detective is specialized in finding what's relevant and what's not.
We bought into it. You ran with it. Other people can have their own theories that make you think differently than yours. The season 1 tie in was a theory by the interviewer.
If it was all exactly tied together like a bow, a simple TV show audience member can be a major crimes detective.
again, is he writing a mystery, or a character study? we know his intent is a character study, but in every season, the intrigue of the mystery far outweighs the audience appreciation for the characters and their relationships. All season long people were saying they didn't give a frick about Hays and Amelia's relationship. That's really problematic considering it's supposed to be the main theme of the show.
NP needs to look at Big Little Lies. The writers knocked it out of the park with that one. it was a perfect balance of mystery and character study. One didn't overshadow the other.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 4:24 pm to 632627
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All season long people were saying they didn't give a frick about Hays and Amelia's relationship. That's really problematic considering it's supposed to be the main theme of the show.
half the audience thought she killed the fricking kids for the first half of the show and the finale expects you to believe she was the greatest and best thing in his life even though Pizzolatto just showed them fighting the entire season.
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So you want spoon fed info with only one direction? Boring.
people all over the internet were calling out the conclusion by like the 4th episode. the info was spoon fed early and then lead nowhere interesting. that's not good.
This post was edited on 2/26/19 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 2/26/19 at 4:46 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
I don't understand why they had the one eyed guy be the guy in the black sedan. It kinda made a lot of the scenes of them finding out who he is kinda redundant
This post was edited on 2/26/19 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 2/26/19 at 4:48 pm to MF Doom
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I don't understand why they had the one eyed guy be the guy in the black sedan. It kinda made a lot of the scenes of them finding out who he is kinda redundant
plus the fact that we spent 8 episodes watching them search for this guy and then he tells them he's been waiting outside Hays house to build up the courage to confess, so even if they hadn't been searching in the first place, all this info would've eventually come to light.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 4:53 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
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people all over the internet were calling out the conclusion by like the 4th episode. the info was spoon fed early and then lead nowhere interesting. that's not good.
So a collective of millions of people watching the show were able to come up with the theory? Wow. We should do that with every crime in the books!
So if they give zero information so you can't figure it out and it up and comes later in the form of deus ex machina. Terrible writing.
If they give some information throughout and the millions of viewers come up with all these theories and later figure out that most of it is true, lazy writing no twist. Terrible writing.
There is no win scenario for you.
Posted on 2/26/19 at 5:22 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
The TV interview - completely irrelevant red herring
The gun in his desk - completely irrelevant red herring
The dolls - completely irrelevant red herring
The "uncle" - completely irrelevant red herring
The peep hole - completely irrelevant red herring
Hoyt - completely irrelevant red herring
Hays' daughter - just living somewhere else
Really just two semi-inept cops with issues and an extra-judicial murder on their watch
Pizzolato has an issue with these things
Next series, nobody will believe anything matters
The gun in his desk - completely irrelevant red herring
The dolls - completely irrelevant red herring
The "uncle" - completely irrelevant red herring
The peep hole - completely irrelevant red herring
Hoyt - completely irrelevant red herring
Hays' daughter - just living somewhere else
Really just two semi-inept cops with issues and an extra-judicial murder on their watch
Pizzolato has an issue with these things
Next series, nobody will believe anything matters
Posted on 2/26/19 at 5:28 pm to JuiceTerry
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The TV interview - completely irrelevant red herring
Sparked his interest again.
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The gun in his desk - completely irrelevant red herring
Paranoid because of the sedan
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The dolls - completely irrelevant red herring
Part of the mystery though a red herring. Although it did lead to the black guy with a missing eye.
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The "uncle" - completely irrelevant red herring
Helped Lucy
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The peep hole - completely irrelevant red herring
Will passed notes to Julie while they were seeing the other people.
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Hoyt - completely irrelevant red herring
Part of the grand conspiracy red herring
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Hays' daughter - just living somewhere else
Why did that matter? She couldn't handle the condition of her dad and it showed that she regretted it in the finale.
This post was edited on 2/26/19 at 5:29 pm
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