re: True Detective S1E08 "Form And Void"

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prior to that incident, he doesn't believe in an afterlife or religion. after that incident he admits he wants to live in an afterlife with his daughter, and i need to re-watch but seemed clearly upset that he didn't stay there

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impossible. hes a flat character and never changes his beliefs

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these sorts of possibilities makes the cult interesting. that's why we all had fun discussing them.

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exactly

i'm having a blast just scheming through these threads

Marie Fontenot is more important than you are suggesting. We know she was killed by the "rich man cult" (which we can infer Errol was a part of). But she wasn't strung up by them.

Errol is the one who innovated by starting to display the victims.

Great show. Just rewatched the finale, and it's better the second time around. I'm fine with not having loose end tied up, in fact it was meant to be that way. SFP, you're a douche knuckle.

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i said he doesn't change until the last 5 minutes about 50 times in this thread

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You've said everything 50 times in this thread.

Yes. A video of the ritual in his safe. He also did not report the break in at that house where it was stolen...then he kills himself on pills or is offed by someone shortly therafter. What more do you need? A signed confeasion?

The ending was realistic and, to me, informative enough. We know that Errol did a lot of bad stuff with cult implications. We know that the Tuttles were very much a part of the cult. Rust says as much, "I know that Billy was the tall man in the video." We know that they got help from Ledoux and the Childress were involved as well. There isnt some members list to satanic cults out there. In the real world, this how things get wrapped up, mostly solved. Do we really need to know why they were in a cult? Theyre depraved, power hungry men with no morals or threat of consequences. The task force was either made up of members of the cult, but most likely just appointed by the Tuttles to take control of the situation. Infuse his own level of incompetence and bury the case. Rust and Marty solved a bunch of murders and shed light on a cult no one knew about and implicated a lot of dead, powerful men. What else do you want?

Agree to disagree.

It was never about religion per Se with rust...it was about despair and inviting the possibility of hope at the end.

Well, not that this is definitive (authors can be misleading) but NP confirms that Rust does not turn to religion / metaphysics in a recent interview:

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What was more interesting to me is that both these men are left in a place of deliverance, a place where even Cohle might be able to acknowledge the possibility of grace in the world. Because one way both men were alike in their failures was that neither man could admit the possibility of grace. I don't mean that in a religious sense. Where we leave Cohle, this man hasn't made a 180 change or anything like that. He's moved maybe 5 degrees on the meter, but the optimistic metaphor he makes at the end, it's not sentimental; it's purely based on physics. Considering what these characters had been through, it seemed hard to me to work out a way where they both live and they both exit the show to live better lives beyond the boundaries of these eight episodes. Now they are going to go on and live forever beyond the margins of the show, and our sense, at least, is they haven't changed in any black to white way, but there is a sense that they have been delivered from the heart of darkness. They did not avert their eyes, whatever their failings as men. And that when they exit, they are in a different place.

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