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re: Top 15 Best Movie Villains of the Last 20 Years
Posted on 3/3/11 at 2:49 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Posted on 3/3/11 at 2:49 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Dr. Lecter aids the film's primary protagonist. That excludes him from being a villain in Lambs. The movie in which he is the villain, Hannibal, sort of sucks.
Great call on the Professional.
Great call on the Professional.
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Posted on 3/3/11 at 2:53 pm to SJS Eagle 85
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This guy strongly disagrees
It's ludicrous to say Hanibal Lecter is not a villian. He's the epitomy of the word villain.
(Spoiler)
Except they made him unlikeable... so much so that the audience actually laughs when Lecter says he's "meeting an old friend for dinner" at the end of the movie
Posted on 3/3/11 at 2:57 pm to Baloo
Yeah I wouldn't consider Hannibal a villain in SOTL. Also wouldn't consider Daniel Plainview a villain. Denzel Washington's character Alonzo in Training day should be up there if he qualifies.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:37 pm to beaverfever
I wonder if the Mom, Monique in Precious could be a villian. She was evil.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:49 pm to Celery
My top 15 of the past 20 years
15) Dr. Evil from Austin Powers
14) Commodus from Gladiator
13) Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York
12) Scar from The Lion King
11) Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men
10) Agent Smith from The Matrix
9) T 1000 from Terminator: Judgement Day
8) Claude Frollo from The Hunchback of Notre Dame
7) Hans Landa from Inglourious Basterds
6) Gollum from The Lord of the RIngs
5) Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs
4) Annie Wilkes from Misery
3) The Joker from The Dark Knight
2) Captain Vidal from Pan's Labyrinth
1) Amon Goth from Schindler's List (Really just killing every person around that Jew he suspected stole from him, and sparing him in the process, cements him as the single most despicable villain...ever. And the shocking thing is he actually did that in real life.)
15) Dr. Evil from Austin Powers
14) Commodus from Gladiator
13) Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York
12) Scar from The Lion King
11) Anton Chigurh from No Country for Old Men
10) Agent Smith from The Matrix
9) T 1000 from Terminator: Judgement Day
8) Claude Frollo from The Hunchback of Notre Dame
7) Hans Landa from Inglourious Basterds
6) Gollum from The Lord of the RIngs
5) Buffalo Bill from Silence of the Lambs
4) Annie Wilkes from Misery
3) The Joker from The Dark Knight
2) Captain Vidal from Pan's Labyrinth
1) Amon Goth from Schindler's List (Really just killing every person around that Jew he suspected stole from him, and sparing him in the process, cements him as the single most despicable villain...ever. And the shocking thing is he actually did that in real life.)
This post was edited on 3/4/11 at 12:57 am
Posted on 3/3/11 at 3:58 pm to OMLandshark
quote:I have a friend who argues he is the misunderstood hero of the movie. I don't agree, but it is a creative argument.
8) Claude Frollo from The Hunchback of Notre Dame
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:01 pm to Baloo
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I have a friend who argues he is the misunderstood hero of the movie. I don't agree, but it is a creative argument.
He's clearly against the other 3 main characters in the film, so I don't see much of an argument for it.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:05 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Ding!Ding!Ding! We have a winner!
He kills people by eating out their guts. That's the definition of a sick man and a villain to me.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:10 pm to OMLandshark
His argument is that viewed objectively, the film is treating the wrong people as heroes. I have a similar argument with Air Force One. If you watch the events of the film, every single thing Oldman accuses the President of is actually verified in the movie. He's absolutely correct. Which means he can be viewed as justified, and if you watch the film from his point of view, the movie becomes a horrible tragedy and miscarriage of justice.
It's a fun exercise in lots of movies. Watch the movie from the villain's point of view, and see if you can make a case for him/her to actually be the hero and the main protagonist to be the "true" villain. We got the idea from the book Grendel, which flips the Beowulf legend and tells it from Grendel's point of view.
It's a fun exercise in lots of movies. Watch the movie from the villain's point of view, and see if you can make a case for him/her to actually be the hero and the main protagonist to be the "true" villain. We got the idea from the book Grendel, which flips the Beowulf legend and tells it from Grendel's point of view.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:22 pm to Baloo
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It's a fun exercise in lots of movies. Watch the movie from the villain's point of view, and see if you can make a case for him/her to actually be the hero and the main protagonist to be the "true" villain. We got the idea from the book Grendel, which flips the Beowulf legend and tells it from Grendel's point of view.
It could also be a funny exercise.
For instance, Longshanks in Braveheart was just trying to hook up his bros with some hot, Scottish, virgin, wedding night action with the prima nocte law.
Wallace was clearly cock blocking. 
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:24 pm to Baloo
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His argument is that viewed objectively, the film is treating the wrong people as heroes. I have a similar argument with Air Force One. If you watch the events of the film, every single thing Oldman accuses the President of is actually verified in the movie. He's absolutely correct. Which means he can be viewed as justified, and if you watch the film from his point of view, the movie becomes a horrible tragedy and miscarriage of justice.
My problem with Air Force One is that while Gary Oldman is correct, he's attacking the wrong people and it makes no sense. Air Force One is the most impenetrable place on the planet. He would be better off going directly for the Russian president and abducting him. It would seem to be alot easier than highjacking Air Force One with the President inside.
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It's a fun exercise in lots of movies. Watch the movie from the villain's point of view, and see if you can make a case for him/her to actually be the hero and the main protagonist to be the "true" villain. We got the idea from the book Grendel, which flips the Beowulf legend and tells it from Grendel's point of view.
Yeah, but Frollo is just a gigantic bigot and an a-hole in Hunchback. Unless you have a severe hatred of gypsies and are extremely judgmental, I don't see how you can paint him as a good guy. The other characters have fairly admirable characteristics, maybe aside from Quasimodo's ugliness and Esmerelda sort of behaved promiscuously. Grendel is more understandable since these people just started fricking with him by waking him up repeatably. I'd get pissed about that too.
This post was edited on 3/3/11 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:38 pm to etm512
Actually, Longshanks was just trying to secure peace in his realm. He's trying to subjugate a rebellion against his rightful authority. He doesn't bring out the heavy guns until Wallace and his crew bring the battle to him. and then he goes all in. Wallace must be completely crushed to secure peace. He even tries, in vain, to teach his son in the ins and outs of statecraft. Hell, he even manages to secure a peace with France, England's traditional enemy, through marriage. Longshanks is, legally, in the right.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 4:39 pm to Baloo
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Actually, Longshanks was just trying to secure peace in his realm. He's trying to subjugate a rebellion against his rightful authority. He doesn't bring out the heavy guns until Wallace and his crew bring the battle to him. and then he goes all in. Wallace must be completely crushed to secure peace. He even tries, in vain, to teach his son in the ins and outs of statecraft. Hell, he even manages to secure a peace with France, England's traditional enemy, through marriage. Longshanks is, legally, in the right.
I kige this.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 7:20 pm to SJS Eagle 85
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He kills people by eating out their guts. That's the definition of a sick man and a villain to me.
Ding!Ding!Ding! We have a winner!
I think that you are looking at Dr. Lecter, the cannibal, not Dr. Lecter, the man who aided Clarice in catching Buffalo Bill. No one is justifying Dr. Lecter's actions, but did you feel sickened when Dr. Lecter escaped from prison? Clarice, the protagonist, trusted Dr. Lecter, which for me made it even more difficult to believe Dr. Lecter was the villain.
Another thing I noticed is that Dr. Lecter was often referred to as a doctor, a title of respect. Dr. Lecter also Clarice by her name, while Buffalo Bill never called his victims by their names. These differences were some of the things that made Buffalo Bill absolutely detested and Dr. Lecter disgusting, but not despised.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 8:00 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Captain Vindal from Pan's Labyrinth
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i was about to add this guy. he's high on my list.
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i was about to add this guy. he's high on my list.
Posted on 3/3/11 at 9:44 pm to lsufan112001
What about Tom Cruise's character in Collateral, he was one cold mofo, but brought flowers to ma
Posted on 3/3/11 at 9:51 pm to Cruiserhog
Posted on 3/4/11 at 12:05 am to OMLandshark
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9) T 1000 from Terminator: Judgement Day
Awesome choice. Heartless killing machine that was only taken out by shear luck.
Posted on 3/4/11 at 12:14 am to beaverfever
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Denzel Washington's character Alonzo in Training day should be up there if he qualifies.
Good call, loved Denzel in that.
Posted on 3/4/11 at 12:30 am to RollTide1987
The bear from The Edge
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