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re: tOfficial “The Many Saints of Newark” Discussion Thread
Posted on 10/2/21 at 9:03 am to weagle99
Posted on 10/2/21 at 9:03 am to weagle99
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The original Sopranos could not be made today.
I got downvoted to oblivion awhile back when I said the same thing about the Office. Sure enough now some scenes and episodes are being deleted as ‘too offensive’.
It’s not like the movie was politically correct in any way
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Posted on 10/2/21 at 9:19 am to Dawgwithnoname
quote:Need something to bring closure because this movie was fricked up leaving so may hanging chads that a Florida election would be proud.
There MUST be a sequel or series Showing Harold getting dealt with, preferably by Tony.
Also, what's up with Ray Liotta's dual roles... where/when did it ever state grandpa was twin?
Posted on 10/2/21 at 9:59 am to Crow Pie
The movie was very allegorical but not Chase’s best work under his subspecies
Posted on 10/2/21 at 10:29 am to The Wok
1) Dickie would have been killed for murdering his father, who was an associate of the DiMeo Crime Family. If Hollywood's brother could figure it out from a few meetings at a prison, so could the wise guys.
2) Hollywood's brother would not be alive if he murdered a made man in the DiMeo Family, especially if he wasn't a made guy or did it without permission from the Commission.
3) Harold would have been brutally killed the moment he killed one of Dickie's pickup guys. The idea that a group of upstart blacks could take on Cosa Nostra in the 1970's is ludicrous, especially when half of the cops in Newark were on the mafia's payroll.
4) Dickie's goomah telling him about her tryst with Harold is completely unbelievable. Being from the old country, she has to know their attitudes towards minorities, blacks in particular. Furthermore, he's never leaving his wife for you, so why tell him and jeopardize a profitable business venture?
There are other problems with the plot, but these stick out the most.
2) Hollywood's brother would not be alive if he murdered a made man in the DiMeo Family, especially if he wasn't a made guy or did it without permission from the Commission.
3) Harold would have been brutally killed the moment he killed one of Dickie's pickup guys. The idea that a group of upstart blacks could take on Cosa Nostra in the 1970's is ludicrous, especially when half of the cops in Newark were on the mafia's payroll.
4) Dickie's goomah telling him about her tryst with Harold is completely unbelievable. Being from the old country, she has to know their attitudes towards minorities, blacks in particular. Furthermore, he's never leaving his wife for you, so why tell him and jeopardize a profitable business venture?
There are other problems with the plot, but these stick out the most.
Posted on 10/2/21 at 10:29 am to deltaland
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The movie itself tried to cram too much in it. Plot never really came together it was disjointed. Also it lacked a lot of the dark humor that Sopranos is known for. It never really developed any of the characters except Dickie
Chase wanted to make a movie about the riots. Got money to make a sopranos movie. So made both but at the same time made neither
I don’t want my time back, I enjoyed the fan service. Everyone was well cast. Tony’s mom was perfect
The sopranos timeline kinda fricked up the whole culture war thing. I actually think there is an interesting story there with the traditional mafia being pushed because the black H money is too big. Even works for pussy selling it
Posted on 10/2/21 at 10:30 am to kciDAtaE
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Did he in the original series?
Yes
Posted on 10/2/21 at 10:32 am to SCLibertarian
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3) Harold would have been brutally killed the moment he killed one of Dickie's pickup guys. The idea that a group of upstart blacks could take on Cosa Nostra in the 1970's is ludicrous, especially when half of the cops in Newark were on the mafia's payroll.
They were upstarts with strong connections to Frank Locus.
Posted on 10/2/21 at 10:40 am to Dire Wolf
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Frank Lucas
Lucas wouldn’t have dared take on Cosa Nostra directly.
Lucas was a roach under Carlo Gambino’s shoe and Carlo thought Lucas was so irrelevant that he laughed off Lucas’ idle threats to “shoot up Little Italy”. I didn’t even warrant a response from Gambino because he knew Lucas wouldn’t dare cross that line.
Posted on 10/2/21 at 11:03 am to thebigmuffaletta
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Lucas wouldn’t have dared take on Cosa Nostra directly.
The sopranos are a glorified crew
Posted on 10/2/21 at 11:42 am to Dire Wolf
They got no respect for this thing of ours
Posted on 10/2/21 at 12:03 pm to Dire Wolf
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the Sopranos are a glorified crew
The Soprano (DiMeo) family were, at least originally, allies of the Lupertazzi family. The Lupertazzi are one of the five families of New York. Lupertazzi family is based on the Gambino family.
The notion that some ragtag moulinyan crew of numbers runners would take on a Cosa Nostra family is absurd.
Posted on 10/2/21 at 12:04 pm to Dire Wolf
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They were upstarts with strong connections to Frank Locus.
It was the Bonannos (including the Rizzutos in Montreal) and Gambinos bringing in the product that Lucas was peddling from Sicily
As mentioned earlier, he was schooled under Crazy Joe Gallo, he was working for the families.Posted on 10/2/21 at 12:29 pm to thebigmuffaletta
quote:Half this movie was a SJW fest.
The notion that some ragtag moulinyan crew of numbers runners would take on a Cosa Nostra family is absurd.
Posted on 10/2/21 at 12:40 pm to The Wok
We saw it in the theater. We enjoyed it. We'll watch it again on HBO Max.
Well cast film. Allesandro Nivola has the leading man chops. He was a great Dickie. Vera Farmiga should win an award for her performance as Livia Soprano. As I've said since Michael Gandolfini was in The Deuce, he doesn't have his dad's on-screen presence or gravitas. I honestly thought he'd be worse than he was in this film. Liotta had a great assignment with his two roles, and he was money in both.
Farmiga channeled Nancy Marchand perfectly, but there was a lot of Carmella in her accent as well. Wondering if that was intentional (Tony marrying someone who reminded him of his mother, or Carmella picking up traits of her mother-in-law).
Someone asked previously if the Beep Ball story was an actual memory or if Dickie was imagining it. That was Dickie lying to his uncle again, trying to beef up his rep as a do-gooder. Dickie got lost in the fantasy he was weaving and zoned out into a daydream.
I think that Dickie's stepmom/gumar told Dickie about Harold, thinking that Dickie would kill Harold (who I'm guessing moved on from Iris after he bedded her for a while). Any other reasoning seems like a suicide wish.
The Junior subplot was the most well-executed part of this film. Making him the schlimazel, with Livia choosing Dickie as Tony's substitute father, Johnny bragging about Dickie as he demeans Junior for his lack of action, then Dickie repeatedly laughing at Junior. We never saw Junior's hit coming.
Ending the movie with Harold living well tells me that Chase wants to do a sequel film. Tony's dad and crew going up against Harold as Tony makes the full transition from civilian to soldier.
What I mainly got from this movie was a sort added explanation of how Tony could kill his "son" Christopher. Dickie killed his own father and killed his stepmom/gumar. Tony ended up like his stand-in dad Dickie: Able to kill someone who was very close to him.
Well cast film. Allesandro Nivola has the leading man chops. He was a great Dickie. Vera Farmiga should win an award for her performance as Livia Soprano. As I've said since Michael Gandolfini was in The Deuce, he doesn't have his dad's on-screen presence or gravitas. I honestly thought he'd be worse than he was in this film. Liotta had a great assignment with his two roles, and he was money in both.
Farmiga channeled Nancy Marchand perfectly, but there was a lot of Carmella in her accent as well. Wondering if that was intentional (Tony marrying someone who reminded him of his mother, or Carmella picking up traits of her mother-in-law).
Someone asked previously if the Beep Ball story was an actual memory or if Dickie was imagining it. That was Dickie lying to his uncle again, trying to beef up his rep as a do-gooder. Dickie got lost in the fantasy he was weaving and zoned out into a daydream.
I think that Dickie's stepmom/gumar told Dickie about Harold, thinking that Dickie would kill Harold (who I'm guessing moved on from Iris after he bedded her for a while). Any other reasoning seems like a suicide wish.
The Junior subplot was the most well-executed part of this film. Making him the schlimazel, with Livia choosing Dickie as Tony's substitute father, Johnny bragging about Dickie as he demeans Junior for his lack of action, then Dickie repeatedly laughing at Junior. We never saw Junior's hit coming.
Ending the movie with Harold living well tells me that Chase wants to do a sequel film. Tony's dad and crew going up against Harold as Tony makes the full transition from civilian to soldier.
What I mainly got from this movie was a sort added explanation of how Tony could kill his "son" Christopher. Dickie killed his own father and killed his stepmom/gumar. Tony ended up like his stand-in dad Dickie: Able to kill someone who was very close to him.
This post was edited on 10/2/21 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 10/2/21 at 1:38 pm to Fewer Kilometers
^ frickin roger ebert ova here heh heh
Posted on 10/2/21 at 1:50 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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moulinyan
Mulignan
Posted on 10/2/21 at 2:02 pm to brewhan davey
They lost me when they made the drastic age gap with Silvio and Big Pussy compared to Tony. Kills the continuity of the show and no reason to do that in the movie.
Posted on 10/2/21 at 2:19 pm to npt817
Uneven for sure. But about the killer and Junior ordering the hit: I think the cop did it. I think the cop that says to Dickie "You think this is funny" as the riots are breaking out and the voice on the phone to Junior sound a LOT like Lieutenant Detective Barry Haydu.
Posted on 10/2/21 at 3:05 pm to Boogtasic
I liked it.
Would've been so awesome though if the mid-credits scene had been Tony and Jackie Sr robbing Feech's card game.
Would've been so awesome though if the mid-credits scene had been Tony and Jackie Sr robbing Feech's card game.
This post was edited on 10/2/21 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 10/2/21 at 5:07 pm to npt817
I can’t recall any direct conversations between the characters that would show their real age gap in the tv series.
But the age gap between Gandolfini and others in real life is pretty wide.
Sirico (Paulie) is 19 years younger IRL
Pastore (Pussy) is 15 years younger
Van Zandt (Silvio) is 11 years younger.
But the age gap between Gandolfini and others in real life is pretty wide.
Sirico (Paulie) is 19 years younger IRL
Pastore (Pussy) is 15 years younger
Van Zandt (Silvio) is 11 years younger.
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