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re: tOfficial Better Call Saul S06E06 “Axe and Grind” Thread
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:19 pm to JDPndahizzy
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:19 pm to JDPndahizzy
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Jimmy already had pictures of him and the judge when he found out the judge had a broken arm. So it seems that Jimmy was going to somehow get these pictures to Howard so Howard would think the judge is in kahoots with Jimmy. I guess Howard was going to accuse the judge of this malfeasance if the judge didn't mediate in their favor.. Howard would produce the photos during the mediation and have the judge deny any allegations of wrongdoing. All of this while his pupils are dilated from the stuff that Jimmy got from the vet.. Typing it out now, it makes no sense.
I saw a theory on reddit htat was essentially the same, and honeslty I think it makes a lot of sense. The only difference in waht they said and you was the "get the pictures to howard part". The one I saw was that saul knew/suspected he was being tailed and he wanted to get caught on camera. He's seen getting $20K out from the bank. He's seen schmoozing with the mediator (the fake on in makeup, but anyoen else would think it was the real guy). They slip howard an upper that "is like 2 red bulls on an empty stomach" and dilates your pupils. When things may not go in howards favor at the ruling, he'll accuse the judge of being on the take and taking bribes from jimmy, when in reality the judge has never mett jimmy and homward looks drugged to the gills. It logically makes sense I think.
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:28 pm to BuckyCheese
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The vet says it works well as long as you don't drink a lot of caffeine.
saul asked how it would feel and the vet said depends on how much caffiene youre used to.. will make you feel like you drank 2 red bulls on an empty stomach.
also it appears the drug given is able to be applied/absorbed through the skin. i really wonder what this shite is lmao. its some type of antimuscarninic/alpha adrenergic. some of those meds are common enough and wouldnt need to be unlabeled vials though. with VG being so nerdy I kind of suspect its some diluted toxic plant extract like nightshade thats used in tons of literature, but plant type things usually last longer than a couple hours...but maybe its low enough dose to be shorter...im not sure.
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How much latte/cappuccino does Howard drink? They made sure we saw he has a machine and apparently enjoys being his own barrista.
howard was drinking tea, the espresso was for his wife.
they made sure to show you him doing a thoughtful act of service for a non-reciprocating wife, then showed you him pouring boiled water into his own cup and steeping tea. howard may not be as used to caffeine as coffee loving jimmy.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:32 pm to AMS
I missed the tea thing.
I'm self centered so didn't even consider he only made the latte for his wife.
I'm self centered so didn't even consider he only made the latte for his wife.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:54 pm to BuckyCheese
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I missed the tea thing.
I'm self centered so didn't even consider he only made the latte for his wife.
this will be an interesting poisoning. I hope we see a huell or better yet kuby apply it to howard's skin somehow.
with the talk from the vet about caffeine and howard not being a coffee drinker this could go bad for howard. maybe they apply too much on accident, or it works a little stronger if they slip it into his drink instead.
either way cliff will know kim skipped the meeting so that may be another interesting obstacle to go along with the broken arm problem they have to call an audible for.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:05 pm to AMS
Depending on what's happening, Cliff may see Kim at the mediation (possible).
Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:12 pm to WG_Dawg
btw since we're talking about Jimmy/Howard, I've got a quick follow up from the previous E05 "black and blue". It's been more than a week since their boxing match in the ring, right? I recall Howard taking the whole week off of work - was that just in case he ended up with a black eye like Saul did? I remember some posters assuming he was going to spend a whole week getting his revenge on Jimmy, but it seems like he's just had this PI tracking him. Maybe it's only been a few days, but it seems like Howard is back to work on d-day.
Then the warning Howard gave his wife about "you might hear some things about me, but just know that I'm handling it. I'll put an end to this, whatever it takes." Could Howard/Cliff be on to their D-day plan? I'm not sure how, but it seemed way too convenient for Saul to run into the judge in the liquor store. Could Saul/Kim be walking in to a trap with the judge and his broken arm?
E07 is titled "plan and execution", but maybe it's not Saul/Kim's plan.
Then the warning Howard gave his wife about "you might hear some things about me, but just know that I'm handling it. I'll put an end to this, whatever it takes." Could Howard/Cliff be on to their D-day plan? I'm not sure how, but it seemed way too convenient for Saul to run into the judge in the liquor store. Could Saul/Kim be walking in to a trap with the judge and his broken arm?
E07 is titled "plan and execution", but maybe it's not Saul/Kim's plan.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:14 pm to WG_Dawg
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He's seen schmoozing with the mediator (the fake on in makeup, but anyoen else would think it was the real guy).
Agree, but Jimmy is the one who had the pictures of him and the judge. But yeah, Howards PI may have taken pictures too. I just don't understand why Jimmy would have pics taken if he had nothing to use them on..
Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:18 pm to lsufb1912
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Could Saul/Kim be walking in to a trap with the judge and his broken arm?
Oh shite... Like a fake broken arm just to run into Saul? I like it.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:24 pm to CocomoLSU
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ETA: Does anybody else feel like the vet scene was kinda awkward? Like in what world would he be like "Here, take a look at this book with all of my contact information for all the illegal shite I do..."? I don't care if it was coded or not or that he's wanting to leave the "business," that just seemed like a super stupid move for him to make. He's been portrayed as more careful than that most of the time. It felt sloppy, and like it was forced simply so Saul/Kim could see the vacuum card.
nah I dont really see it as careless. he's already been in business with saul for a bit and knows saul is smart and careful. he didnt just say he was quiting the business, he said he bagged his limit and was gonna be leaving town (he is planning to disappear). the vaccuum card wasn't forced simply so jimmy could see the card, its telling the audience that its the vets plan to disappear after selling the book.
im thinking they maybe use the sandpiper money to buy the book and the vet will explain how to use the vaccuum service as he is getting disappeared. just seeing the business card for the vaccuums doesnt mean they have the secret code to trigger disappearing, the vet will have to tell them the code.
I also wonder why they didnt just use the bagman money to buy the vet's poison, they went somewhere to publicly withdraw money...
Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:30 pm to AMS
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he said he bagged his limit and was gonna be leaving town (he is planning to disappear). the vaccuum card wasn't forced simply so jimmy could see the card, its telling the audience that its the vets plan to disappear after selling the book.
Not that I don't agree with you, but the vet made it clear he wanted to keep being a vet (from what I remember).. So if he gets disappeared he would normally get a new identity, job, etc.. I would think it would be easier to find him (working as a vet) than all the Germans Lalo is tracking down. I might have misunderstood though.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:39 pm to AMS
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hey made sure to show you him doing a thoughtful act of service for a non-reciprocating wife
That was brutal when after he drew the peace sign in the foam for her, she just dumps it in another cup. And it didn't even look like a travel cup.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:52 pm to BuckyCheese
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The vet says it works well as long as you don't drink a lot of caffeine.
How much latte/cappuccino does Howard drink? They made sure we saw he has a machine and apparently enjoys being his own barrista.
I’m responding as I’m reading, so this may have been answered already. I just watched Pete Pepper’s YouTube recap and he mentioned this. They took a nice 2 minutes of closeups, showing Howard’s fancy espresso machine and barista skills. BUT, that was all for his wife. He made himself tea.
Pete didn’t say this, but Hot Carl thinks that shite may frick his world up pretty good. He may have never been a big stimulate guy—may just have natural energy. But after Chuck died and he went all namaste with meditation and whatnot, I assume a lot of that would be anti-stimulants. Hard to find zen if you’re hopped up on double espressos all day. So even if Howard used to be a big caffeine guy, I’m assuming he switched to tea (either no caffeine or very low) as part of his lifestyle change post Chuck’s death. I’m not sure it’s gonna kill him, but it’s gonna frick him up to behave in a way considerably “more” than Kim and Jimmy have planned.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 2:54 pm to lsufb1912
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btw since we're talking about Jimmy/Howard, I've got a quick follow up from the previous E05 "black and blue". It's been more than a week since their boxing match in the ring, right? I recall Howard taking the whole week off of work - was that just in case he ended up with a black eye like Saul did? I remember some posters assuming he was going to spend a whole week getting his revenge on Jimmy, but it seems like he's just had this PI tracking him. Maybe it's only been a few days, but it seems like Howard is back to work on d-day.
maybe it was in case of a black eye, I did assume he wanted more time to spend on jimmy conflict, maybe he expected more antics from jimmy in that week. but its been a few days of the PI tracking jimmy. When kim told jimmy about her meeting for the foundation it was 'next week' on D-Day. so we are now after the week howard cleared.
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Then the warning Howard gave his wife about "you might hear some things about me, but just know that I'm handling it. I'll put an end to this, whatever it takes." Could Howard/Cliff be on to their D-day plan? I'm not sure how, but it seemed way too convenient for Saul to run into the judge in the liquor store. Could Saul/Kim be walking in to a trap with the judge and his broken arm?
I doubt that was a trap, bc howard wouldve been relying on jimmy just conveniently see the judge, and the judge would have to be in on it. its just a coincidence they saw the judge.
its another example of wrenches being thrown into their plans. so far the country club frame job had flawed execution, the traffic cone parking lot flaw. other (potential) flaws would be howard finding out kim is involved after meeting with cliff, and maybe the poisoning plan seeing as howard would have a lower caffeine tolerance than jimmy as he drinks tea instead of coffee. maybe they will be able to recover from the flaws, but maybe too many flaws building up will foil their plans somehow.
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E07 is titled "plan and execution", but maybe it's not Saul/Kim's plan.
I think it will refer to saul/kims plan but also will touch on howard's plan to combat jimmy, lalo's plan, gus's plan.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 3:10 pm to AMS
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I also wonder why they didnt just use the bagman money to buy the vet's poison, they went somewhere to publicly withdraw money...
He wanted Howard to know that he’d taken out the $20k. Part of the plan.
Edit to add: so that he’d think they were using it on the mediator. Right?
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 3:13 pm to JDPndahizzy
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Not that I don't agree with you, but the vet made it clear he wanted to keep being a vet (from what I remember).. So if he gets disappeared he would normally get a new identity, job, etc.. I would think it would be easier to find him (working as a vet) than all the Germans Lalo is tracking down. I might have misunderstood though.
i mean yea thats a good point, I think it also depends on how 'hot' you are and presumably the vet isnt so hot. correct he would get a new identity and job, but there really isnt anything stopping a disapearee from resuming things from their past life other than its not wise as it would be easier to track them down. that may make it harder to be a vet if disappeared bc that requires licensing and stuff. he might have to do vet school again, but its not out of the question he could do it. or he could just continue loving animals as a farmer or working with them in another way. or maybe he doesnt get disappeared and just leaves town, but he is still selling jimmy the book.
so yea its a good point you bring up, but we dont really need closure on the vets story other than him selling jimmy the book and leaving town so it could kinda be glossed over easily.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 3:18 pm to dirtsandwich
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He wanted Howard to know that he’d taken out the $20k. Part of the plan.
Edit to add: so that he’d think they were using it on the mediator. Right?
ah thats likely correct. that assumes they know/assume howard has a PI on them. which might be problematic for them from howard after having to adjust to pull off their scheme and may be evidence that he was being framed.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 3:24 pm to AMS
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assumes they know/assume howard has a PI on them.
Correct. Which also begs the question why picnic at HHM unless they wanted to be seen?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 3:31 pm to AMS
I’m ready for some Gene damnit
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 3:32 pm to dirtsandwich
Hubris and That wouldn't really be any evidence of framing Howard. He probably won't have met with his PI by next morning of the mediation. The pi gave a few days of info at a time.
but frantic shite they do adjusting for the broken arm might be evidence of framing Howard after the fact and lead to fallout
but frantic shite they do adjusting for the broken arm might be evidence of framing Howard after the fact and lead to fallout
Posted on 5/17/22 at 3:34 pm to jlovel7
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Kim has had a sudden turn. Not a slight one. If she breaks bad hard in the time of half a season that mimics Daenerys turn in S8 or thrones. There’s been a steady trickle but I feel like there hasn’t been enough to break the dam other than the writers just saying so.
Did y’all not watch last season? Do you not remember:
“Kim, this isn’t you. You wouldn’t be ok with this. Not in the cold light of day.”
***Kim, almost offended, leans back to where her face is center frame in a closeup, stares at Jimmy for a few beats (enough to make him—and the audience uncomfortable).***
“Wouldn’t I?”
Then she stands up and gives him the seemingly playful (and very hot) finger guns and walks off. Normally that would be seen as just playful, but think about the context of that. They were in a hotel because Jimmy was suffering some major PTSD from the desert a day or 2 before where he had guns aimed at him, a sniper rifle execute 4 or 5 people right beside him, getting their blood on him.
The finger guns were, at best, kinda callous considering that. But could be interpreted as more passive aggressive. Or just aggressive. She was pissed at Jimmy for assuming he knew who she was better than herself. She did the same thing with Howard earlier after they got off the elevator and told her Jimmy was tricking her, and that must be by she left the Mesa Verde case. She is offended when people take away her agency and think she is incapable of making her own decisions without the influence of Jimmy.
She is her own person, and she makes her own decisions and is the author of her own story. And the writers are doing this in a kinda meta way towards the audience this season who thinks they know Kim better than “she” does. The audience doesn’t get to define Kim strictly based on what we believe she would do, and they are clearly subverting our preconceived expectations of her behavior. I think it’s a fair criticism to say it hasn’t been completely earned (probably a big reason for the flashback last night), but there have been clues along the way, and the finale of last season was IN YOUR FACE. So you can say they cheated, but you can’t say it started this season and that she’s acting completely different. Not after the Season 5 finale.
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