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re: tOfficial Better Call Saul S06E05 Thread “Black and Blue”

Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:25 am to
Posted by Hat Tricks
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:25 am to
The tool Lalo found is the same tool shown in the opening scene on last night's episode, right?
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:28 am to
Yup.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:29 am to
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Jimmy and Howard both fight like bitches.



actually I appreciated the way that scene unfolded. These are 2 middle aged, normal, not very athletic (well maybe howard is I guess) dudes that prohbably havne't thrown a punch in decades. It's funny seeing fight sequences in a lot of TVs and movies where everyone looks like mike tyson. These guys swung anmd missed at each other a few times, hit the midsection a few times since it was easier and more convenient, etc. I apprecaited that it was more true to life
Posted by dirtsandwich
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:31 am to
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I apprecaited that it was more true to life

Agreed. Though they both took a couple of punches that would have taken me out of commission for a while.
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:31 am to
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I mean I agree with those things and that Kim influenced Jimmy becoming Saul. But none of that is hams theory. His theory is Kim is actively involved and assisting still from the shadows during BB.


right.

Ham for years has been mentioning ice station zebra, and when it inevitably comes up again (which it will, it pretty much has to) I'm sure he will shout from the rafters about being right. But it doesn't actually PROVE anything.

Ham clearly is an avid watcher of the show and does have good points here and there, but the people wanting to stick up for him on this topic need to realize that his entire 5-year long thing has been that kim is working with Saul in BB, and up to now there is literally zero proof whatsoever of it.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:34 am to
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Jimmy and Howard both fight like bitches.



Howard has a nice uppercut though.
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:50 am to
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actually I appreciated the way that scene unfolded. These are 2 middle aged, normal, not very athletic (well maybe howard is I guess) dudes that prohbably havne't thrown a punch in decades. It's funny seeing fight sequences in a lot of TVs and movies where everyone looks like mike tyson. These guys swung anmd missed at each other a few times, hit the midsection a few times since it was easier and more convenient, etc. I apprecaited that it was more true to life


True!! It was hilarious how Saul was show-boating at first.
I'm not super interested in the Howard storyline but I admit I can't wait to see what's next.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 10:56 am to
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Ham for years has been mentioning ice station zebra, and when it inevitably comes up again (which it will, it pretty much has to) I'm sure he will shout from the rafters about being right. But it doesn't actually PROVE anything


Exactly. It kind of even goes against Kim working in the shadows for protection...
Kim sets it up, they're married, Saul/walt gets caught. DEA/fbi investigate and figure out Saul's clients have bank records traced back to ISZA and it's subsidiary company, saul Goodman and associates.

Since they're married they look into Kim just like they did with Skylar.

It only helps avoid IRS audits, it's not going to save them from DEA/FBI if they have serious PC saul is criminally enterprising.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 11:06 am to
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I'm not super interested in the Howard storyline but I admit I can't wait to see what's next.


He cleared his whole week for the confrontation. Mr. H.O Ward was day 1.

It's really funny that he pulled a Jimmy like trick on Jimmy. Not many times does someone trick him. It's really only Howard/Chuck who were able to finesse Jimmy, otherwise he's really only had when theres a threat of violence
Posted by tonic
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:23 pm to
At first, I thought this whole plan would backfire on Kim and Jimmy. But after watching Jimmy interact with Kim after the Howard rumble, I don't think Jimmy was tricked by Howard at all.

I think Jimmy played along to give Howard a semblance of a win before he is totally destroyed by their scheme.

Posted by JDPndahizzy
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:31 pm to
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At first, I thought this whole plan would backfire on Kim and Jimmy. But after watching Jimmy interact with Kim after the Howard rumble, I don't think Jimmy was tricked by Howard at all.

I think Jimmy played along to give Howard a semblance of a win before he is totally destroyed by their scheme.


Yeah, getting caught has to be part of the scheme but, how?
Posted by LSU Wayne
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:46 pm to
At this point I’d be happy if it turns out Howard somehow ends up behind the scenes as the Saul puppeteer just to see the melt here
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 12:48 pm to
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It was a slide rule, used by engineers. It also had the name of the company that encased it on the bottom.


For the younger posters, a slide rule is a tool that basically became obsolete once pocket computers (advanced calculators and now I-phones) performed their function. Even so, the old timer Engineers still like to use the slide rule because they were so familiar with it and so quick.

So, it’s symbolic that the younger engineers encased (buried) the slide rule for the now deceased master engineer. He was a relic of a simpler, more elegant, more excellent time period, but obsolete and out of his place in the new world.

Posted by AMS
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:19 pm to
I agree about backfiring but it still may depending on how the Howard and Mike PIs go, but it's a stronger consideration that it won't backfire now.

I do think they expected Howard to catch them because they were too obvious, but I also think Howard did trick Jimmy at least relative to Howard showing his hand that he found out.

Just spit balling here but jimmy may have let Howard win like you suggest. but Howard went along with Jimmy's trick giving Jimmy semblance that Howard didn't have deeper schemes. Doesn't mean Howard wins, but leaves room for Jimmy's plan to blow up and make this more interesting than Jimmy just winning outright
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:27 pm to
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Java Joe's is a real life Albuquerque coffee shop
There one across the street from East High School about 1/2 mile from me in SLC. There's actually a bunch of locations here. I didn't know they were from Albuquerque.
Posted by Slippy
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:40 pm to
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Aren't Mike's PIs still following Kim and Saul? They will likely notice the other PI Howard hired, doing the same. This will lead to a confrontation, maybe Mike's PI's killing Howard's, and Howard thinking that Kim and Saul did it?


I had the same basic thought. Mike's guys mistake Howard's PI for Lalo. All hell breaks loose.

I also think Gus uses that gun on someone other than Lalo.
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:49 pm to
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I also think Gus uses that gun on someone other than Lalo.


C'mon man.. you can't say that and not elaborate

Who? Tell me!!
Posted by Slippy
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 1:56 pm to
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Who? Tell me!!


I have no idea. I'm just spitballing.

But it's way too obvious otherwise. Vince's MO is to set something up and then make a sharp turn into something else entirely.

Maybe Kim gets shot and killed with it.
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 2:07 pm to
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But it's way too obvious otherwise. Vince's MO is to set something up and then make a sharp turn into something else entirely.


True...
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 5/10/22 at 4:14 pm to
I don't think Kim dies.

I know it is has been mentioned, but it seems likely that Kim disappears via vacuum guy and are reunited in the Gene storyline.

That seems too obvious though for Gilligan.
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