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re: tOfficial Better Call Saul S04E10 Finale “Winner” Thread
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:37 am to PowerTool
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:37 am to PowerTool
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The original theory was that Kim would help Jimmy create the Saul Goodman persona and act as the other half. Is that theory still alive?
The theory is and always has been that Saul is simply a persona, and Kim is helping into the BB era.
If I get that right and you want to accuse me of "moving the goalposts" because she's not picking out his colorful ties go ahead.
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Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:41 am to Walking the Earth
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Now she knows he straight up doesn't give a shite about Chuck and has no interest in using his skills "for good", like she suggested last week.
In that same "for good" exchange, Jimmy threw it back in her face that she was not using her powers "for good" anyway so she was hypocritical for that.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:48 am to AMS
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In that same "for good" exchange, Jimmy threw it back in her face that she was not using her powers "for good" anyway so she was hypocritical for that.
This.
Kim right now is trying to justify the things they're doing. She's not going to jump in the deep end of the pool.
She's in the shallow end and will stay there for now, but eventually Jimmy's going to pull her out there over her head.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 12:58 am to BuckyCheese
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Ham's theory also took a bullet to head.
Thank god
Posted on 10/9/18 at 2:43 am to Tigerbait337
Slowest moving show on television
Posted on 10/9/18 at 5:45 am to Walking the Earth
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At the rate Lalo is going, Gus won't have the chance to kill him.
I think just about every citizen and video camera in Albuquerque got a real good look at him during his 6 hour crime spree.
He's gonna have to keep moving quickly. There is a lot to do with his character. He hasn't even met Jimmy yet. Remember how happy Jimmy was when he found out the guys who had abducted him weren't Lalo's guys (despite still being held at gun point)? Clearly Jimmy has to frick him over pretty bad to the point of there being no potential for forgiveness. Lalo presumably has to die as well.
I'm not even sure how Gus will explain his construction.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 5:46 am
Posted on 10/9/18 at 6:08 am to Ham Solo
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The theory is and always has been that Saul is simply a persona, and Kim is helping into the BB era.
bullshite
I fricking knew you would change your theory and act like you didn't, in fact I called you out weeks ago and said you were going to to do this
Posted on 10/9/18 at 7:02 am to musick
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I fricking knew you would change your theory
Once again, it's all posted in the crackpot thread. Go have a read.
The main point of the theory is that she's helping him still in BB. Maybe some details are off considering I wrote it almost two years ago, but the main point has never changed.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 7:27 am to Ham Solo
Checking in real quick, how were the last few episodes of this season? Need to catch up.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 7:41 am to UnluckyTiger
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how were the last few episodes of this season?
Most thought they were pretty solid. A few complained that they were slow.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 7:50 am to Ham Solo
I'm really pleased with Lalo so far. He should bring some new life to the story.
I have been getting a little bored with the Mike/Gus stuff simply because we know where it goes.
We also know Nacho and Saul get wrapped up in Lalo's story. This should cause Mike, Nacho, and Saul to intertwine again in someway. Looking forward to that.
I have been getting a little bored with the Mike/Gus stuff simply because we know where it goes.
We also know Nacho and Saul get wrapped up in Lalo's story. This should cause Mike, Nacho, and Saul to intertwine again in someway. Looking forward to that.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 7:51 am
Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:15 am to lsu480
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Slowest moving show on television
Yeah, but in a tantric sex kinda way
Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:35 am to BamaChemE
When Jimmy broke down in his broke arse vehicle, we don’t know the entire reason why. We did get insight into Jimmy and Chuck’s relationship in the opening scene. Was the death of his brother finally hitting home? At the end, when he told Kim he conned his way back as an attorney, was that the total truth?
Sure, he’s a sociopath, but the writing leaves some things up for grabs. He may be too proud to admit a lot of what he said is what he really feels deep inside. What he told her about the letter speech definitely wasn’t good for their relationship, even if the whole thing really does have him messed up and going two emotional ways at once. You’d think he would have realized that, but it is one of his big problems. A lot of times, he just doesn’t know when to shut up.
Sure, he’s a sociopath, but the writing leaves some things up for grabs. He may be too proud to admit a lot of what he said is what he really feels deep inside. What he told her about the letter speech definitely wasn’t good for their relationship, even if the whole thing really does have him messed up and going two emotional ways at once. You’d think he would have realized that, but it is one of his big problems. A lot of times, he just doesn’t know when to shut up.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:46 am to Ham Solo
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The theory is and always has been that Saul is simply a persona, and Kim is helping into the BB era.
If I get that right and you want to accuse me of "moving the goalposts
BUUUUULLLLLLLL shite!
For starters, saying "saul is simply a persona" is like sayign "I think saul may be around in BB era". No fricking shite he's a persona. That's not a prediction or a theory it's something we've known forever, considering that James McGill is the "real thing" and saul is the end result of his actions.
Next, BS on saying you simply think "kim is helping" in BB. She could give him a ride to the airport and that would technically make your theory correct. You are clearly moving the goalposts as evidenced by your thread that you abandoned and still for some reason nobody knows have yet to update or post in:
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Kim is half of Saul. Saul Goodman is a brand and a law practice. Saying Kim is half of Saul simply means she is a silent partner in this business.
So...people accuse you of "moving the goalposts" and your response is that your theory "IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN" that kim is simply helping saul. Yet in your original thread you content that she is a silent partner in his business. So which is it? Is it J+K=S in the way of a silent partnership in Saul's law practice during Breaking Bad times, or does she simply "help" him someway which is as vague as vague gets?
While we're on that thread, let's look at some of your hard hitting evidence to support that she is working silently behind the scenes during breaking bad:
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Ice Station Zebra Associates is Saul Goodman's loan out. How does it connect to Kim? We see Kim and Jimmy watching a movie in the episode Amarillo
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Kim used Saul's line give me a dollar. This is when the light bulb came on for me. It was another one of those moments I felt like Vince was foreshadowing what was to come with a clever little hint.
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A desk from Saul's breaking bad office is sitting in Kim Wexler's office right now. Confirmed by Gilligan.
These are the biggest pieces of evidence you've pointed to, which I'd like to point out that none of them actually prove a gd thing.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:47 am to LarryDavid
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When Jimmy broke down in his broke arse vehicle, we don’t know the entire reason why.
I think we mostly do. He was already upset because they didn't give the girl a scholarship and at the time he still hadn't got his license back.
He broke down because he felt like nobody will give him a chance to escape his past. He feels like the only option he has is to take his own advice and take what he wants because he feels that others are actively trying to keep him down.
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At the end, when he told Kim he conned his way back as an attorney, was that the total truth?
That's a really good question. Some of that may have been real, but he won't own up to it.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:51 am to WG_Dawg
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BUUUUULLLLLLLL shite!
Not going to spend time arguing with you.
It's all in the crackpot thread.
The bottom line is I said she will be working with Saul during BB. That was the main point.
If you want to cherry pick details I don't get correct that's fine, but the main point has never changed.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 8:58 am to WG_Dawg
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ALWAYS HAS BEEN" that kim is simply helping saul. Yet in your original thread you content that she is a silent partner in his business. So which is it?
Am I required to type everything out long form everytime I discuss it?
Is running ISZA simply helping? Is risking her license on schemes simply helping?
No. That's more of a secret partnership.
Use your head. I don't need to type it out precisely every time. You know I think they are future partners.
Once again it's all in the thread.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:08 am to Ham Solo
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Is running ISZA simply helping?
You've never said she runs it. You said she created it (which may in fact be true, yet not prove your theory) and saul uses it. She could be long gone or dead during him using it though.
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Is risking her license on schemes simply helping?
does that mean she's a silent partner? OR that she's beind the scenes during BB?
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Use your head
no u. YOu keep saying things that very well could happen or may be true, while constantly straying away from the theory you laid out to begin with. Your ENTIRE THEORY was that she is a silent partner helping out the law practice during teh walter/BB days. Anything else that does not support or prove that is utterly irrelevant.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:11 am to Ham Solo
Hold that L
Posted on 10/9/18 at 9:13 am to WG_Dawg
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Your ENTIRE THEORY was that she is a silent partner helping out the law practice during teh walter/BB days.
And it still is. Do I need to type that whole thing out evertime so you don't get confused?
It would save me a lot of typing if you could simply understand when I say "helping" that's what I'm talking about.
If your still confused it's all in the post. I have never changed the original other than typos.
This post was edited on 10/9/18 at 9:28 am
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