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re: Thread Change: Let's Overanalyze Varsity Blues
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:07 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:07 pm to wildtigercat93
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People really care about that? Doubt it. There's not a single person in America (outside the ex-player's immediate family) who sit and think, "I wonder how the OLB for the 2006 Jacksonville Jaguars is doing today?".
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yikes this dude won’t be able to walk in 15 years” feeling
People really care about that? Doubt it. There's not a single person in America (outside the ex-player's immediate family) who sit and think, "I wonder how the OLB for the 2006 Jacksonville Jaguars is doing today?".
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Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:20 pm to BabyTac
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Around that time, Texas was known for having these massive cults in rural areas. Prob a comedic reference to that is all I can guess.
This is a random guess, but having the little kid be susceptible to “cults” was a reason Mox wanted to bring the whole thing down. He knew his little brother was open for brainwashing and would’ve been all in with football due to his parents, the town, and Kilmer.
At least that’s how I take it. Agree that they went way overboard with that and probably could’ve found a different way to execute that narrative if that’s actually the case.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:26 pm to CocomoLSU
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I don't disagree with your point as a whole, I just don't know if I buy that Kilmer hates Wendell because he's black and is intentionally keeping his stats down. Because even Wendell talks up his rushing stats. And Kilmer is, by all accounts, a great coach (success-wise).
Whatever his reasoning for Wendell specifically, it’s shown Kilmer does have his favorites and his players he actively works against and chooses his own pride over success multiple times. I mean he actively gets angry at TDs when Mox doesn’t listen to his calls, despite them clearly working.
So while I agree he would do anything at any cost or of morality to win, I don’t think that means that everything he actually does is directly tied to winning or in the pursuit of winning. He’s got his own control and ego issues going on that he needs to feed. That’s why he lost his marbles when his players stood up to him, that power was what his entire life was built on.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:30 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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People really care about that? Doubt it. There's not a single person in America (outside the ex-player's immediate family) who sit and think, "I wonder how the OLB for the 2006 Jacksonville Jaguars is doing today?".
Okay but there’s a difference between sitting down on a random Monday afternoon thinking about it and sitting down and watching a 2 hour movie about it that forces you to think about it.
I don’t think about cigarettes causing cancer that much in my daily life, but when I watch mad men my first instinct is “goddamn all these characters are gonna be without a lung by the end of the show”
back in the day they would have cigerrette ads built into the plot of Flintstones, the perception and reception obviously changed over the years for audiences, and that same thing has happened for CTE and other medical issues related to football 
Posted on 5/10/21 at 1:46 pm to Ash Williams
There is.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 2:23 pm to CocomoLSU
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This would've been a fun movie to overanalyze.
Let it be written. Let it be done.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 4:58 pm to CocomoLSU
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I don't disagree with your point as a whole, I just don't know if I buy that Kilmer hates Wendell because he's black and is intentionally keeping his stats down. Because even Wendell talks up his rushing stats. And Kilmer is, by all accounts, a great coach (success-wise).
Texas, by most accounts was still getting with the changing times when it came to race/black dudes in football in the late 60s/70s/80s aka Bud Kilmer's development + glory years. The "unspoken rules" of how to use black guys in football, basketball, & baseball were widely the norm. So, while he may not have been racist by the evil definitions, he was definitely operating under "this is just how things are done in Texas".
This came out in what, 1999? So, filmed in 1998. Written +/- within 2 or 3 years of that to give the "this happened back when I was in HS vibe). Hell, I don't even remember any mention of what would have been pop culture in the mid 90s of AOl/internet, beepers/early cell phones, etc.
Lastly, the leap of faith it takes to believe that NONE of the assistant coaches, school admins, or (probably more realistic) the hardcore dads wouldn't have gone down to the sidelines to figure out who was going to "lead" the 2nd half is just over the top AND the entire team boycotting the state playoffs is far too laughable.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 5:49 pm to Dennis Celery
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Did Mox just quit on the team and skip the playoffs?
It certainly would’ve been in his bitch character to do that.
I don’t disagree that Mox was a bitch. He definitely was. But I also don’t think he’d quit on the team if Kilmer was out as coach. He goes on his tangent about how he loves football more than anything “when it’s pure,” but not like Kilmer makes it.
So if Kilmer isn’t in charge anymore and they’re doing whatever they want out there then Mox should love it and want to keep playing into the playoffs
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 5/10/21 at 7:45 pm to LSUBoo
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I also don't see Bud Kilmer going out like that. No way he lets a handful of players run him off at halftime of a game
He shoots up the state championship game and kills himself in the sequel Varsity Bluesier
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 5/10/21 at 7:53 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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People really care about that? Doubt it. There's not a single person in America (outside the ex-player's immediate family) who sit and think, "I wonder how the OLB for the 2006 Jacksonville Jaguars is doing today?".
I think about Daryl Smith daily.
Obviously that’s not what he means, it’s like if a player with known concussion issues takes a hard hit and goes down, the thought of how long someone can do that to themselves definitely comes up
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:02 am to Tigear
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the entire team boycotting the state playoffs is far too laughable.
They should've written Mox as saying "After the playoffs, I never played football again."
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:21 am to wildtigercat93
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The bigger travesty IMO is how they shoot the final play of the game. They make it slow mo and crank up the foo fighters which is awesome, but they keep cutting back to the clock. Ball gets snapped, look back at the clock (7 seconds), pump fakes the ball, look back at clock (5 seconds), throws the ball for anticipation (3...2...1)..... CAUGHT! GAME WINNER!
I watched it last night on HBO Max. This didn't happen. They showed the scoreboard 17-14 with 7 seconds left, then you only see the clock in the background once during the last play. It actually is even still stuck on 7 seconds after the play has been going for seconds. There is no pump fake just a pass to Tweeder and then he tosses it to Billy Bob, slow mo to him rumbling for the TD. you might be thinking of the end of Friday Night Lights
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 8:34 am
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:35 am to tylerdurden24
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And then over there is Mox’s little brother participating in a cult (I had completely forgotten about this, too. What a crazy little detail to put in for seemingly no reason)
In the context of the times it made sense. We were coming off of David Koresh in Waco and this movie took place in West Texas. I think the movie was taking a jab at cults, or taking a jab at how Texas HS football has a cult like following and equating the two.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:42 am to jchamil
Yeah just watched it on YouTube and you’re right, I had that as a very vivid false memory in my head, I’ll have to figure out where that came from
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:54 am to wildtigercat93
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I mean he actively gets angry at TDs when Mox doesn’t listen to his calls, despite them clearly working.
That's what any good coach would do though. Mox was undermining his authority, and without control a coach is useless (as we later saw at halftime of the DCG).
But Mox was in the wrong on that one. Call the plays the coaches call. You're acting like the plays Kilmer calls don't work...they absolutely do work. Mox only did it because of Wendell's selfish arse.
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He’s got his own control and ego issues going on that he needs to feed. That’s why he lost his marbles when his players stood up to him, that power was what his entire life was built on.
I agree with that mostly. But like I said, a coach HAS TO have that power and control, or else the team is lost. Now, it just so happens that Kilmer was an a-hole and at that point was putting his players health in potential jeopardy (although I assume they've done those procedures on numerous players before and the players have benefitted from it with no problems). So yeah, let's cut that shite out however we can. But in the grand scheme of things, Kilmer doesn't seem to be too bad of a coach.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 8:56 am to peaster68
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Interesting fact: the whip cream bikini was actually shaving cream. The whip cream kept falling off.
Link to those outtakes please.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:00 am to CocomoLSU
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That's what any good coach would do though. Mox was undermining his authority, and without control a coach is useless (as we later saw at halftime of the DCG).
But Mox was in the wrong on that one. Call the plays the coaches call. You're acting like the plays Kilmer calls don't work...they absolutely do work. Mox only did it because of Wendell's selfish arse.
Sure, but my point with that is that if he was as singularly focused on winning and success as you and other have built him to be, then he wouldn’t be actively upset at something that works.
That egotism and control is where the cracks begin to show, so I don’t buy that all the shitty things he does can be explained by “he’s just a winner”
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agree with that mostly. But like I said, a coach HAS TO have that power and control, or else the team is lost. Now, it just so happens that Kilmer was an a-hole and at that point was putting his players health in potential jeopardy (although I assume they've done those procedures on numerous players before and the players have benefitted from it with no problems). So yeah, let's cut that shite out however we can. But in the grand scheme of things, Kilmer doesn't seem to be too bad of a coach.
Can we stop this Kilmer Stockholm syndrome y’all have? Bud Kilmer isn’t just an a-hole, Kilmer belongs in fricking prison
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:07 am to wildtigercat93
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. I mean he actively gets angry at TDs when Mox doesn’t listen to his calls, despite them clearly working.
No. Coach Kilmer explained it to Mix in the movie. Mox is like, we scored a TD and you're mad. It's not that. BK was looking at the big picture and the team football philosophy. He said he wanted to run the ball in order to control the clock and slow the game down. Maybe West Canaan did not have a good defense and needed the offense to eat clock and grind drives out to keep the D off the field.
Again, another instance were Mox acts like a spoiled brat. It's all about him. He doesn't even care about the team or Coyote Football. He's the starting QB who despises everything about football in that town.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:10 am to SoDakHawk
I can agree that Mox sucks without agreeing that Kilmer is right or doesn’t suck, I’ll leave it at that
Posted on 5/11/21 at 9:10 am to SoDakHawk
One of the more ridiculous things is that at no point was Tweeter ever mentioned as a back up QB but the coach was ready for him to go into the game there.
I understand it's HS and if your back up QB is still a good athlete and you want him on the field you put him somewhere else to contribute. But if that's the case, he wouldn't have had a number in the 80s. He would have had a QB number.
I understand it's HS and if your back up QB is still a good athlete and you want him on the field you put him somewhere else to contribute. But if that's the case, he wouldn't have had a number in the 80s. He would have had a QB number.
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