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re: THR: Paapa Essiedu has been offered to play Severus Snape in HBO's Harry Potter adaptation
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:47 pm to Dam Guide
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:47 pm to Dam Guide
now that changes the whole bullying dynamic of some
These show runners and script writers have been salivating at this opportunity. They are gleefully going to tell us how they are "subverting expectations" and "deconstructing the myth of Harry Potter". Then, about 4 failed Potter projects down the line that all tried to advance "The Message", Jay Are, Sammy and Corinthians will be on here screaming, "Severus being black and James Potter a racist frat boy is canon!"
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rich white kid bullying this outcast geeky black boy. The racial aspect has now shifted from Snape being the bigot with the anti muggle stuff to James being a racist.
These show runners and script writers have been salivating at this opportunity. They are gleefully going to tell us how they are "subverting expectations" and "deconstructing the myth of Harry Potter". Then, about 4 failed Potter projects down the line that all tried to advance "The Message", Jay Are, Sammy and Corinthians will be on here screaming, "Severus being black and James Potter a racist frat boy is canon!"
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Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:51 pm to Fun Bunch
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You could make numerous characters a different race. Snape is one of the worst to do it
The more I think about it, the more I think the showrunners want to force this James Potter was a racist angle. It forces a discussion they want the public to have to get the message out. I fear this is just another project gone bad.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:51 pm to Fun Bunch
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Do you understand the implications the race change makes on Snape specifically? Do you understand how it affects the audiences reaction to not just Harry but especially James Potter?
But this is likely what the creatives WANT when they “reimagine” stories in this manner. They don’t want a nuanced bullying story where both the “good” and “bad” guy blend into a shade of gray.
The want the 2020s red meat racism angle to “start a conversation” which they can also hedge their bets on if the show performs below expectations by criticizing the “bigoted” audience. This is the playbook.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 1:55 pm to St Augustine
Especially given the tension in the UK right now specifically over immigration.
I imagine they will make that part of the message. Snape will be an immigrant.
I imagine they will make that part of the message. Snape will be an immigrant.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:02 pm to Fun Bunch
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Especially given the tension in the UK right now specifically over immigration.
I imagine they will make that part of the message. Snape will be an immigrant.
you guys are so wrapped up by politics it's insanity.
you can have a black character at Hogwarts without making him an immigrant.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:13 pm to Corinthians420
Serious questions: do you post on this board the way you do just to kill time? Is it some sort of elaborate social experiment? Do you post on other websites in the same manner?
Time after time you pull the “why do you even care” or “why won’t anyone answer my question :(“ cards when it’s obvious you’re completely invested and multiple posters have answered your constantly shifting questions.
I hope one day I’m as enlightened as you are pal
Time after time you pull the “why do you even care” or “why won’t anyone answer my question :(“ cards when it’s obvious you’re completely invested and multiple posters have answered your constantly shifting questions.
I hope one day I’m as enlightened as you are pal
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:17 pm to Corinthians420
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you can have a black character at Hogwarts without making him an immigrant.
Actually we can.
There are already numerous black characters.
I wouldn't care if someone like Professor McGonnagal was black? Who cares?
Making Snape black is an act of politics itself, not our reaction.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:22 pm to RollTide1987
This is going to mean Lily was fat growing up.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:27 pm to Sun God
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Serious questions: do you post on this board the way you do just to kill time? Is it some sort of elaborate social experiment? Do you post on other websites in the same manner? Time after time you pull the “why do you even care” or “why won’t anyone answer my question :(“ cards when it’s obvious you’re completely invested and multiple posters have answered your constantly shifting questions. I hope one day I’m as enlightened as you are pal
The guy who doesn’t care has posted for 7 pages.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:27 pm to Corinthians420
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To me it's no different than changing Hermione's hair or Harry's eye color.
I'm still waiting on someone to tell me how it is.
What you posted said Hermoine's hair wasn't quite as shabby and Harry's eye color was different because he couldn't wear contacts. I mean that's pretty minimal and understandable. Nobody is going to be upset that an actor isn't able to wear contacts, similar to Emilia Clarke in Game of Thrones. Would have been nice, but was kind of unavoidable.
A race swap with a main character with a clear physical description, admit ot or not, is a big change. Now ask yourself why would they make such a big change to a character that well established and liked by fans? If it wasn't for reasons to make themselves feel better and trying to be diverse for the sake of being diverse, then Paapa Essiedu would have to be your best option. Whoever the hell Paapa Essiedu is, I know for sure he is not being selected because he is the best possible option to play that character.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:30 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Now ask yourself why would they make such a big change to a character that well established and liked by fans?
out of respect for the job Rickman did with the original character, they can change it to a completely new character (albeit still an antagonist to Harry) so that people wont compare the performance
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:32 pm to Corinthians420
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out of respect for the job Rickman did with the original character, they can change it to a completely new character (albeit still an antagonist to Harry) so that people wont compare the performance
People don’t want a new story, they want a faithful rendition to the books. The story they grew up loving and the movies didn’t do the best job. HBO money and a show has a chance to do it right, not another Hollywood butcher job.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:46 pm to Corinthians420
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out of respect for the job Rickman did with the original character, they can change it to a completely new character (albeit still an antagonist to Harry) so that people wont compare the performance
Just doing some reading up on the series and some stuff HBO has said about it to see if they were going the Amazon route where the show runners stated they were doing their own take on Tolkien. Just to see if it was similar with this.
First article I came to...
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Max, Warner Bros. Discovery’s streaming service, has ordered a new scripted Harry Potter series. It is described as “a faithful adaptation” of J.K. Rowling’s beloved book series.
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“Each season will be authentic to the original books,” Max promises.
They're claiming to want to be authentic and faithful to the books. Whatever casting was done in the movies really doesn't matter, they aren't adapting the movies. They are one casting choice in and they are already going against what they claimed they were going to do.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:48 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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They are one casting choice in and they are already going against what they claimed they were going to do.
changing a characters skin color does not mean its not authentic to the books haha. how much you guys act like skin color matters is concerning honestly.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:49 pm to Corinthians420
You're just trolling at this point.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:53 pm to Corinthians420
Yea you know I'm not one on here always talking about skin color. Not a 1/10 as much as you do. Try that bait with someone else. But yes, this early on, the decision shows that they are in fact not going to try and be as authentic to the books. Or else they would have chosen an actor that was close to the book. Not choosing him just to be diverse.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:54 pm to Corinthians420
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still waiting for you to provide an example of where his whiteness was a key part of his characters story arc
Is it possible to think people should just be cast the way they are described in the original stories?
Even with religion you don't see this huge pushback from Christians to the "ACSHUALLY Jesus would have been a brown person, not the white person he is in paintings, drawings, etc" thing that liberals think is a good argument. Most Christians are like "Yeah, he probably was" and have no problem with him being depicted that way.... because its accurate. Even people who have spent their whole lives seeing Jesus depicted as white don't really have an issue with it because its accurate.
I say all that to highlight that the race issue isn't the important part, its accuracy. Whether we are telling stories about historical events or retelling stories people have written... many just want to see those things come to life exactly how they read them in those stories.
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:55 pm to iwyLSUiwy
The literal whole point of this is that the movies had to cut out too much, so they could make a more faithful adaptation that gets to include all of the plot points and details that get left out
So the first casting decision is of course radically different from the book character
So the first casting decision is of course radically different from the book character
Posted on 12/5/24 at 2:57 pm to VolSquatch
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Is it possible to think people should just be cast the way they are described in the original stories?
I agree, I'd rather see a Snape as depicted in the books.
Where I disagree is acting like this is a bigger discrepancy than any of the other changes from the books they already made in the films, such as Ron's height, Harry's hair, Hermiones hair. I'd rather all have been the same as the books, but them not being that way is something I was easily able to get over.
Regardless of who they got to portray as Snape, I would never have seen them as the same character as Alan Rickman, or Snape from the books. It was always gonna be a new character portrayal in my mind.
If they cast Harry as someone who looks similar to Daniel Radcliffe, I still won't be able to recognize it as the same character. that character is finished, it finished with the movies. what we get next will be an alternate universe Harry.
This post was edited on 12/5/24 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 12/5/24 at 3:08 pm to Corinthians420
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Where I disagree is acting like this is a bigger discrepancy than any of the other changes from the books they already made in the films, such as Ron's height, Harry's hair, Hermiones hair. I'd rather all have been the same as the books, but them not being that way is something I was easily able to get over.
Ahh yes, they cast Harry with a black hair actor instead of a very dark brown hair actor so they could stick out their chest and say "look at us, we cast actors with very dark brown hair too.". Classic Hollywood move.
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