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THR Article: How Marvel Is Quietly Retooling Amid Superhero Fatigue
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:22 am
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:22 am
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These public-facing moves come as studio boss Kevin Feige recalibrates the creative direction behind the scenes. Early in February, the company completed reshoots for Agatha: Darkhold Diaries, the WandaVision spinoff starring Kathryn Hahn that is expected to hit Disney+ this fall. The company usually budgets five days of reshoots into the schedule, but the studio completed the work in just one, fueling a sunny outlook around the show internally, according to sources associated with the series.
The studio also quietly hired Eric Pearson to polish the script for Fantastic Four, which will shoot this summer in London. Pearson is a company stalwart who worked on Thor: Ragnarok and Black Widow and has a reputation for taking projects over the finish line. The stakes for that movie are high, as the studio is still searching for characters and actors who can carry its universe forward after the exits of Robert Downey Jr. and Chris Evans.
Marvel also hired Joanna Calo, the showrunner of acclaimed FX series The Bear, to work on the script for Thunderbolts, The Hollywood Reporter has learned. The film will begin shooting in March in Atlanta. Her hiring adds a flair of prestige to the project, which stars Florence Pugh and — according to a source who has read previous drafts of the script — centers on villains and antiheroes going on a mission that was supposed to end with their deaths.
Marvel is also cleaning up the creative mess left in the wake of Jonathan Majors, the once-rising actor cast to play the lynchpin villain role in the next Avengers movies but who in December was found guilty of reckless assault in the third degree and harassment in a Manhattan court after a domestic incident with his ex-partner, a movement coach he met while working on Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. Marvel dropped Majors hours after the conviction and is rewriting those movies, which will now either minimize the character or excise him entirely. The first of the new Avengers movies, due out in 2026, was initially titled Avengers: The Kang Dynasty but will be getting a new title to remove the character’s name, though sources say that even before Majors’ conviction, the studio was making moves to minimize the character after Quantumania underperformed, grossing $476 million.
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Execs are not calling it a reboot, not even a soft one, but more of a creative retooling. It’s no secret that since the 2019 Avengers: Endgame, the company was asked to scale up in an unprecedented way to feed its fledgling streaming service, Disney+, then a top priority for Disney, which was in the thick of the streaming wars. First under the direction of Disney CEO Bob Iger and, later, his short-lived successor, Bob Chapek, Marvel expanded into TV series and animation, with the goal of the MCU becoming a place with a seemingly endless procession of year-round releases. It was an ask that proved too unwieldy to sustain.
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Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:29 am to RLDSC FAN
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It’s no secret that since the 2019 Avengers: Endgame, the company was asked to scale up in an unprecedented way to feed its fledgling streaming service, Disney+, then a top priority for Disney,
this is where they messed up. they should have popped champagne and slap themselves on the back and say "we did it."
you could have ended up as heroes for pulling it off and making comic book movies cultural events and mainstream while earning everybody billions of dollars and making fans happy.
instead you kept pushing and became the villians.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:30 am to RLDSC FAN
They can spout "superhero fatigue" all they want, when the reality is that it's shitty superheroes that are only there because of the racist arse guidelines they use.
We'd all still be watching if it was anywhere close to Civil War, Infinity War, etc.
We'd all still be watching if it was anywhere close to Civil War, Infinity War, etc.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 10:32 am
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:33 am to RLDSC FAN
It isn't fatigue it is shitty storytelling and arse level writing.
I hope they get their shite together asap because I care about Iconic characters and prefer they aren't constantly rebooted to be woke caricatures of legitimate great heroes.
We didn't need a woman Black Panther, a black women ironman, more shitty Captain Marvel content.
Scrap them, give us good Fantastic Four, X-Men, and Spider-Man movies and the "fatigue" is non existent.
The problem is the Feige is all about Agendas now
I hope they get their shite together asap because I care about Iconic characters and prefer they aren't constantly rebooted to be woke caricatures of legitimate great heroes.
We didn't need a woman Black Panther, a black women ironman, more shitty Captain Marvel content.
Scrap them, give us good Fantastic Four, X-Men, and Spider-Man movies and the "fatigue" is non existent.
The problem is the Feige is all about Agendas now
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:42 am to Bottom9
They could have done great things with the TV shows supplementing the movies like Loki.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:43 am to RLDSC FAN
This doesn't solve the diversity quotas and forcing "marginalized storytelling"
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:51 am to RLDSC FAN
i, for one, cannot WAIT to watch
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Agatha: Darkhold Diaries, the...
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the Wandavision spinoff starring Kathryn Hahn
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Agatha: Darkhold Diaries, the...
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the Wandavision spinoff starring Kathryn Hahn
Posted on 2/21/24 at 11:03 am to RLDSC FAN
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Superhero Fatigue
Does not exist. If anything, I have fatigue of this term.
It’s a buzzword excuse people and studios use to deflect from the real cause: poor scripts and uninteresting stories about characters people don’t have a reason to care about. In short, bad projects that happen to be about superheroes. There are so many viewing options and streaming services now, audiences have no reason to turn out for theaters for poor films. This is what the fatigue is, and it is fixable.
Make good movies of interest and people will always watch them. NWH, The Batman, BP2, GotG3, and even MoM all did well in recent years since Endgame.
Any wonder that the CBMs with critical and audience acclaim continue to make bank? Deadpool and Wolverine just became the most viewed trailer ever, and if the film is as good as its potential, it will likely cross $1B in 2024. The superhero genre is clearly still thriving, we just want good movies and shows. That’s all.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 11:04 am to RLDSC FAN
I mean.... they should have just ignored the Majors stuff. Let's not pretend that Disney is some bastion of morality.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 11:08 am to Starchild
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Superhero Fatigue
Does not exist
Since you have stated this from a position of authority and deep knowledge on the subject, I shall accept it as settled science. Thank you
Posted on 2/21/24 at 12:06 pm to Bottom9
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Scrap them, give us good Fantastic Four, X-Men, and Spider-Man movies and the "fatigue" is non existent
Yep. It's not diffuclt. Basically, just follow the late 1980s and 1990s model of reviving comic book enthusiasm through badass Xmen and Spiderman and FF storylines.
Go cast Doom with a Henry Cabill type and make him the focal point villain that leads into a Galactus Confrontetion.
Thats like 5-6 films right there.
Then go cast the Xmen exactly like the 1990s cartoon and print money.
This shite is not hard. Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and all the other dudes at Marvel already laid the blueprint for you and showed you what worked.
You literally have a map with the jackpot marked on it and Disney decided to go on a side quest with no map while looking for pennies and nickels instead of gold bars...
Posted on 2/21/24 at 12:13 pm to Bottom9
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Scrap them, give us good Fantastic Four, X-Men, and Spider-Man movies and the "fatigue" is non existent.
The fact that Spider-Man: No Way Home did so well compared to the other movies is quite telling. It made nearly $2 billion internationally; over $800 million domestic.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 12:18 pm to RLDSC FAN
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the WandaVision spinoff starring Kathryn Hahn
Yeah, a "PERFECT" choice.
What audience is marvel trying to attract? To What audience does Kathryn Hahn appeal? Single left wing women in their 30s? She's a 50 year old woman that's most notable as a quirky side character in bigger movies and projects. How could she possibly appeal to anyone other than older white women who DESPERATELY want males to stop liking younger attractive women?
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Marvel also hired Joanna Calo, the showrunner of acclaimed FX series The Bear, to work on the script for Thunderbolts,
Another woman writer.
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Her hiring adds a flair of prestige to the project, which stars Florence Pugh and — according to a source who has read previous drafts of the script — centers on villains and antiheroes going on a mission that was supposed to end with their deaths.
More woman on woman Marvel.
Are women and girls flocking to this content yet? Maybe if they put out more wishcasting articles a miracle will occur.
I can sum up this article: "How can Disney tell people they're changing direction without REALLY changing direction?"
Disney is changing nothing. Diversity and diversity writers will continue to put out diversity stories with progressive talking points underlying the movie.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 12:23 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Disney is changing nothing. Diversity and diversity writers will continue to put out diversity stories with progressive talking points underlying the movie.
and posters on this very board will continue to claim that there is no ideological agenda being pushed here, and that this is all lazy writing and lazy attempts at simply broadening their audience.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 12:23 pm to RLDSC FAN
Disney continues to be dishonest about its problems and will continue to make bombs because of it.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:48 pm to tiggerthetooth
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What audience is marvel trying to attract?
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More woman on woman Marvel.
It's difficult when all you guys seem to want is dude on dude.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:54 pm to Jay Are
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It's difficult when all you guys seem to want is dude on dude.
I'm sure this was clever in your head. Yes I'd rather get 3 more Spider-Man movies than get Captain Marvel, Madame Web, or Iron Heart.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:59 pm to Jay Are
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It's difficult when all you guys seem to want is dude on dude.
Considering Marvel's entire existence was predicated on male creativity and sustained by the interest of young males, then I'd say it's not a stretch to suggest a move script not veer from its origin which gave it all the value its ever had.
But continue to defend the destroyers who cannot add any value but merely subvert the original values they hate.
I hope they keep putting 50-year old Kathryn Hahn in marvel movies.
Marvel was by western men for western men and it completely fails when it either ignores that fact or deliberately attempts to display its hatred if that fact.
You continue to slam your face into the wall and call the sky green.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 3:01 pm
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