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re: The Walking Dead
Posted on 11/23/10 at 2:08 pm to Cajun Revolution
Posted on 11/23/10 at 2:08 pm to Cajun Revolution
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Ever hit a fricking deer head on? Totals the truck. Now imagine hitting 500 Zombies head on. Through your windshield. You're dead buddy. I just saved your life. That just happened.
Clearly what tehy need is Dead Reckoning:
Posted on 11/23/10 at 2:12 pm to Cajun Revolution
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Entirely plausible they track underwater and pull an anchor line if they can bash a window with a rock.
See, I disagree 10000000% on that. The whole point of zombies is that they are just bodies surviving by feeding. It's the most basic/primal of instincts. There's no cognitive reasoning involved, no thought, nothing like that. They can't "figure stuff out." That's why lots of people had a problem with the fence-hopping zombie in the first episode.
I guess in the end, we'll see how the creators of the show decide what their zombies will be like. But if they can figure things out and evolve, a lot of people are gonna be pretty disappointed.
Posted on 11/23/10 at 2:23 pm to ProjectP2294
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They don't eat to function
I think they do. The human body (dead or alive) needs nutrients or whatever to function. If the zombies aren't getting what their bodies need to function, then their bodies will stop functioning. I.e. they will starve.
At least that's how I think it would work.
I guess in the end, it's all speculation. But it's fun going back and forth about it.
Posted on 11/23/10 at 3:41 pm to CocomoLSU
Agree 1000% with the need for nutrients to survive...see half a zombie in the park...obviously lack of blood or organs isn't exactly hindering it. It was dying because it lacked nutrients...so technically it is self limiting because they'll eventually die out...because prey will become scarce and the only way they kill anything is by surrounding it and there isn't enough food for all. What animal can be hunted by a zombie? None, only a dead one...see deer in woods.
Also, as far as the Zombie jumping th fence...it was a Black Zombie, they're natually athletic
Also, as far as the Zombie jumping th fence...it was a Black Zombie, they're natually athletic
This post was edited on 11/23/10 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 11/23/10 at 3:43 pm to CocomoLSU
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The human body (dead or alive) needs nutrients or whatever to function. If the zombies aren't getting what their bodies need to function, then their bodies will stop functioning. I.e. they will starve.
the body will require nutrients of some sort, and even if it's virus zombies, the virus will require nutrients of some sort
that's why zombies, if they ever did come, wouldn't last. they'd eventually die...i'd wager within a week
water is the main thing they'd miss
now, if you want to add another layer to it, imagine zombies who had the desire to do 2 things: (1) eat flesh and (2) drink water. then imagine if that water could get contaminated
THEN we'd be in some shite
Posted on 11/23/10 at 3:46 pm to CocomoLSU
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See, I disagree 10000000% on that. The whole point of zombies is that they are just bodies surviving by feeding. It's the most basic/primal of instincts. There's no cognitive reasoning involved, no thought, nothing like that. They can't "figure stuff out." That's why lots of people had a problem with the fence-hopping zombie in the first episode.
To me, this Universe is really contradictory. You've got Zombies jumping fences, bashing rocks against glass, climbing tanks, prying open doorways....they're either cognizant or they're not.
Go all I Am Legend or stay Shaun of the Dead simple but don't give me a hybrid of the walking dead and 28 days later "Olympian sprinting zombies"
Posted on 11/23/10 at 3:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
Boil Alert slow...unless it was ultra resistant 
Posted on 11/23/10 at 3:59 pm to CocomoLSU
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"Clearly what they need is dead reckoning"
What the hell is that...the Mammoth Car from speed racer?
"Clearly what they need is dead reckoning"
What the hell is that...the Mammoth Car from speed racer?
Posted on 11/23/10 at 3:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
I got this of a ZS thread.
Biology:
The zombie isn't the organism, it is merely a vehicle for the organism. The organism its self is a mixture of nanotechnology and bioengineering. Once in the bloodstream of a victim, the organism makes its way to the victims brain where it begins to grow (like a parasite). Its growth does not entail a 'takeover' of the brain, but instead involves the rapid growth of millions of microscopic filaments which grow along the pathways of the victims current nervous system.
These filaments permeate the victims body and act as a simplified and alternate circulatory and digestive system. These filaments extract and metabolize oxygen and carbohydrates internally from any organic material they touch, and externally from any gaseous or liquid source of oxygen (like air or water). The extracted oxygen and metabolized carbs are then circulated to the cells of the zombie through the same system of filaments.
A side affect of the organism seating its self in the victims brain is a loss of higher functions in the victim.
The filaments are nearly microscopic and number in the millions, so to kill a zombie by disrupting or traumatizing its 'filament system' requires near whole-body severe trauma, such as being fed into a meat grinder, being run over by a tank etc. Multiple gunshots, being cut in half, disembowelment, whole body 3rd degree burns, de-limbing; none of these will cause sufficient trauma to the filament system to de-animate the zombie.
Destruction of, or massive trauma to, the brain, will de-animate the zombie because the brain still controls the bodies motor functions.
When not eating or chasing food, the zombie goes into a state that is like hibernation; it shambles slowly, lazily, and randomly along until it detects a source of food at which point the zombie 'awakens', adrenalin kicks in, and the zombie is fully animated, seeking to devour the food source. In this way, zombies can go prolonged periods without eating anything. The more time that elapses from its last meal, the slower the zombie becomes until it reaches an extreme state of hibernation where it remains completely still until food comes in proximity to it, at which point it uses its remaining energy to kill/eat.
Sounds good
Biology:
The zombie isn't the organism, it is merely a vehicle for the organism. The organism its self is a mixture of nanotechnology and bioengineering. Once in the bloodstream of a victim, the organism makes its way to the victims brain where it begins to grow (like a parasite). Its growth does not entail a 'takeover' of the brain, but instead involves the rapid growth of millions of microscopic filaments which grow along the pathways of the victims current nervous system.
These filaments permeate the victims body and act as a simplified and alternate circulatory and digestive system. These filaments extract and metabolize oxygen and carbohydrates internally from any organic material they touch, and externally from any gaseous or liquid source of oxygen (like air or water). The extracted oxygen and metabolized carbs are then circulated to the cells of the zombie through the same system of filaments.
A side affect of the organism seating its self in the victims brain is a loss of higher functions in the victim.
The filaments are nearly microscopic and number in the millions, so to kill a zombie by disrupting or traumatizing its 'filament system' requires near whole-body severe trauma, such as being fed into a meat grinder, being run over by a tank etc. Multiple gunshots, being cut in half, disembowelment, whole body 3rd degree burns, de-limbing; none of these will cause sufficient trauma to the filament system to de-animate the zombie.
Destruction of, or massive trauma to, the brain, will de-animate the zombie because the brain still controls the bodies motor functions.
When not eating or chasing food, the zombie goes into a state that is like hibernation; it shambles slowly, lazily, and randomly along until it detects a source of food at which point the zombie 'awakens', adrenalin kicks in, and the zombie is fully animated, seeking to devour the food source. In this way, zombies can go prolonged periods without eating anything. The more time that elapses from its last meal, the slower the zombie becomes until it reaches an extreme state of hibernation where it remains completely still until food comes in proximity to it, at which point it uses its remaining energy to kill/eat.
Sounds good
Posted on 11/23/10 at 4:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's why zombies, if they ever did come, wouldn't last. they'd eventually die...i'd wager within a week
I agree, but it would be longer than a week. Especially considering the amount of feeding they'd be doing in the beginning based on the initial outbreak. I mean, it would take a while for the entire (basically) human population to turn. So for the first couple months I'd guess, they'd be able to get all the nutrients they need since eating humans means not only eating flesh, but liquids in the human body, brain, etc.
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Also, as far as the Zombie jumping th fence...it was a Black Zombie, they're natually athletic
The zombie twitch muscle.
Posted on 11/23/10 at 4:08 pm to HooDooWitch
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"Clearly what they need is dead reckoning"
What the hell is that...the Mammoth Car from speed racer?
DR is the vehicle they used in Land of the Dead. fricking badass is what it is.
Posted on 11/23/10 at 4:11 pm to Beachtiger
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When not eating or chasing food, the zombie goes into a state that is like hibernation; it shambles slowly, lazily, and randomly along until it detects a source of food at which point the zombie 'awakens', adrenalin kicks in, and the zombie is fully animated, seeking to devour the food source. In this way, zombies can go prolonged periods without eating anything. The more time that elapses from its last meal, the slower the zombie becomes until it reaches an extreme state of hibernation where it remains completely still until food comes in proximity to it, at which point it uses its remaining energy to kill/eat.
I can agree with some of that. But the bottom line is that I'd think it's physically impossible for a human body (alive, dead, or undead) to continue to function for long periods without some sort of sustenance. That being said, I don't think a zombie can just chill in one spot for weeks on end and just ZAP into action when it senses food. Decomposition, atrophy, etc. are all biological things that will happen to a human body no matter what "controls its brain."
Posted on 11/23/10 at 4:13 pm to CocomoLSU
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I agree, but it would be longer than a week. Especially considering the amount of feeding they'd be doing in the beginning based on the initial outbreak.
water though. water
they ain't getting that from feeding...at least not much
Posted on 11/23/10 at 4:14 pm to CocomoLSU
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But the bottom line is that I'd think it's physically impossible for a human body (alive, dead, or undead) to continue to function for long periods without some sort of sustenance.
yeah i mean look at people who die of thirst out in the wilderness...they're not running around for days
Posted on 11/23/10 at 4:17 pm to Beachtiger
Best explanation I've seen yet, pretty comprehensive I might say.
Posted on 11/23/10 at 4:44 pm to CocomoLSU
I can buy into some of this. Some zombies like the ones on the bus were just sitting there as was the zom in the tank. I would have to think that it is in a constant state of decomposition. If it sits long enough it may turn to dust. I would also believe that as they decompose eventually limbs would fall off from their own weight.
Posted on 11/23/10 at 4:59 pm to CocomoLSU
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See, I disagree 10000000% on that. The whole point of zombies is that they are just bodies surviving by feeding. It's the most basic/primal of instincts. There's no cognitive reasoning involved, no thought, nothing like that.
Right. Like a baby. I noticed this while feeding our daughter and ironically watching The Walking Dead. It's just something we are all born with, animals included. Feeding is a primal instinct, we are born knowing how to eat, breathe and shite and that's about it. So IMHO if you can outsmart a baby you should be able to outwit a zombie. Now that doesn't mean trying to fist fight with them, I'm just saying play above their head or way below it and they shouldn't be able to get to you, all they want is the easy food that is already either provided or about to be.
Posted on 11/23/10 at 6:40 pm to Michael J Cocks
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Feeding is a primal instinct, we are born knowing how to eat, breathe and shite and that's about it.
This also goes easily with Dude Abides theory about zombies shitting their pants
Posted on 11/23/10 at 10:39 pm to That LSU Guy
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