re: The Rings of Power Season 2 - first 3 episodes release August 29th, 2:00 AM Central

You might say “There’s a tempest to me!“



But OK, it may just be a coincidence that she steps forward to take part of this global reimagining of Tolkien’s work but then, after one season of horrific ratings, this “activist“ decided to dip out and go activate more.

Says the guy who doesn’t watch the shows yet shills for them based on politics alone.

Shills- “there’s no politics in these shows”


Also shills- “the only reason you don’t like these shows is because of their politics”

Straw man, not nearly the only thing that’s been pointed out.

There’s no record of their existence just the theory that it’s possible they exist.

They're orcs. Misshapen and unnaturally created by Morgoth, not 'Adar' or whatever the FATHER of Orcs BS this show is telling.

We know that the Orcs "multiplied", so it's imagined as to how. There are different populations, or tribes of Orc, all stemming from their origins. And without Sauron's direct involvement, they carried on well enough managing their own affairs, living in the caves of the Misty Mountains, in Mordor, and other places. Obviously, when Sauron returned and started to gain power, he raised an orc army from somewhere.

This show totally retcons all sorts of things, like She-orcs, for forming of Mithril, and the true nature of the Elves in Middle Earth.

* And before anyone wonders, Orcs do rape. Human and Elven females. They're not simply 'blue collar workers, trying to earn a living and raise their Orc families'. FFS, I hate this show more and more every day.

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They're orcs. Misshapen and unnaturally created by Morgoth, not 'Adar' or whatever the FATHER of Orcs BS this show is telling.

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I'm not getting the issue with this.

Orcs are generally accepted as the result of Melkor torturing some early captured Elves, misshaping them and making them the atrocity they are.
It would have to be Elves, since Men weren't around (Second Born), and Dwarves weren't quite in the picture yet (and specifically made by Aule to be resilient, I'd say resistant to what Melkor has done).
So, some of the early Elves from Cuivienen, taken before Orome finds them. We know Melkor did this, because some Elves feared Orome was whoever Melkor sent to take them before.

Elves are immortal unless killed, so Adar isn't going to die of old age. He apparently was kept around for breeding purposes, which would make some sense (more direct Elf-blood should give you a better Orc, instead of the diluted lines from later generations).
Per the story, he was one of a small group corrupted by Melkor, and apparently the last to survive after the First Age.

None of that goes directly against canon, they're just extrapolating on something that COULD exist. And it's actually one of the more interesting storylines of this show- which absolutely could be much better than it is.

Adar being one of Morgoth's generals (leading a group of Orcs) isn't out of the realm of possibility. We really only know of a couple; Sauron as his 2nd, and Gothmog (and I assume the other Balrogs). The dragons seemed to do their own thing, weren't commanders.
As most of the Angband leadership is now gone, anyone remaining (like Adar, for example) could certainly be expected to make his move.

is it fanfic that tolkien wrote in the hobbit that Orcs had children?

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Why are you stanning so hard for this pile of trash posing as Tolkien?

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how am i stanning for a show that I haven't even watched?

i'm defending tolkiens lore that female orcs exist, couldnt care less if someone says the show sucks. there have been many people in this thread saying they didn't like the show, i haven't said a word to them. the only people i'm responding to are the people that are still arguing that female orcs break the lore, because that is wrong.

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You're arguing points no one brought up, or ignoring things Tolkien actually said & there by claiming this show isn't trashing the established lore.

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What do you mean? I never said this show isn't trashing the established lore. I haven't watched the show.

The only thing I've argued is the post about orcs being male only being incorrect from a tweet someone posted that claimed they were and then Madking still claiming that there were no female orcs and that including them was destroying lore.