re: The People v. O.J. Simpson: American Crime Story series long thread

Kim was on Oprah's "Where are they Now?" on the trial over the weekend. I don't think they like anything that gives "the murderer" any attention. Her father didn't appear on the show. In fact, I don't remember her talking much about her Dad now that I think about it.

Long interview with the Goldman's on the upcoming show. The quote below confirms a lot about Ito.

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They found the cameras in the courtroom difficult to deal with - with Fred recalling one incident where a court official ordered him to move a packet of tissues from the railing in front of him because the judge said 'it didn't look good on camera'.

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They found the cameras in the courtroom difficult to deal with - with Fred recalling one incident where a court official ordered him to move a packet of tissues from the railing in front of him because the judge said 'it didn't look good on camera'.

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This tells you everything you need to know about Judge Ito, "frick you, your family, and your deceased kid. His murder trial isn't about him. This is about getting ratings in the television event of the decade."

How did Ito have the balls to go on to sit on for another 20 years in the court? He should have been disbarred and shunned.

You really need to get a grip. Lawyers/judges don't get disbarred for that kind of stuff. Geez.

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really need to get a grip. Lawyers/judges don't get disbarred for that kind of stuff. Geez.

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Ito put his own personal fame over delivering justice. If that's not bar for disbarring a judge, it should be. You can't deliver justice when you make it about yourself as a judge. That makes you totally unqualified to deliver justice.

Not to mention the fact that his wife lied about her association with Furhman in order for her husband to handle the case.

What did Nathan Lane get disbarred for? I watched the real trial on Esquire and that guy came off as a huge prick.

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His wife lied. He didn't.

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I agree. I never accused him of making his wife lie about Furhman. I hope Ito would have had enough sense to stay away from the trial in case Furhman's connection to his wife was made public. I just think his wife didn't want to ruin his dream of judging the trial of the century and getting the fame he always wanted. I don't think there was any maliciousness in this part of the case.

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Interestingly, so far, I'm not sure what the "fame" got for him other than a lot of criticism and ridicule.

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I agree with this whole heartedly, and if I were Ryan Murphy, I would have a scene of Ito with his wife downing some shots after realizing what his pursuit of fame actually did to his life, how he ruined the trial by letting a murderer walk free, and (as a wink) how he ruined the media at large. He would realize he should have never taken the trial, let cameras in the court room, and then vow to live a more humble life.

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I think your emotions about this case are so high and venomous that your are way more reactive than reasonable, sometimes.

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Ito stunk, but he is not the reason this case went South. He was a part of it in some ways, but there were plenty of other factors and people contributing.

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Well, maybe not THE reason, but certainly the biggest. If Garcetti had had the trial in Santa Monica, OJ probably would have gone to jail. If Clark hadn't put Furhman on the stand, there's a good chance OJ would have been convicted. There are individual players that if they hadn't made one frick up, OJ probably would have gone to prison.

But no one fricked up more consistently than Ito. It was almost every day. He turned it into a kangaroo court and allowed the defense to escalate it to its highest possible level when he should have stopped them.

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By the way, what's your theory on how OJ left the scene within the timeline without having a slew of blood in the Bronco and at Rockingham? There just wasn't near an amount anywhere around him which one would expect from a scene as bloody as this one was.

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I'll look into the specifics a bit more later, but I don't think murdering someone is as dirty as Quentin Tarantino would have you to believe. They had plenty of time to bleed out, and OJ slit some throat and would have only gotten blood on his front. I think it's plausible it would only have a few drops in the Bronco while his front has blood on it.

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The trial was about the murder of Ron Goldman. Ito did not see it that way. He saw it as a media event to get himself famous and deliver the television event of the century. Grieving families and bringing justice to the victims was the last thing on Ito's mind

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This is all true.

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If he tells them to remove tissues, then he's telling them that the cameras are more important than the families. So as a Judge, Ito may as well tell them all to go frick themselves. If your son was brutally murdered and the judge told you to move tissues to a better place to engage the audience at home, you'd perceive it the same way. 

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I do perceive it the same way and I probably would have gone to jail for telling Ito to GFH on national TV.

All I'm saying is you are going too far saying eff his whole family and deceased child, etc...

Eff judge Ito, and his lying wife, ando whomever is in charge of judicial review/discipline in that state.

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But do want to apologize for calling you an idiot last night. Had too much to drink and you've been mostly civil

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Apology accepted, no worries.

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The victms' families had to exercise a whole lot of control during that trial. A whole lot. Not sure how they did it, honestly.

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And to be honest, there was a time that I wanted FG to stop crying on my TV, after reliving this and getting a little behind the scenes insight into it I feel like an arse. He can cry, cuss or scream his head off.

I like how they act like representing Eva Longoria is a big resume booster for Shapiro.

OJ's daughter. Those are running back thighs alright.



Look how different everyone looks here.