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re: The official Interstellar thread (spoilers)
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:14 am to AngryBeavers
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:14 am to AngryBeavers
Another thing, just because Brand hasn't gotten to the planet yet, Edmunds had already been there. How hard would it be for them to send some small ships through the wormhole if it was open when they had already finished the gravity equation? They already knew there were three possible planets that were inhabitable. They could have very easily checked them out. They didn't because the wormhole is closed. They can't.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 10:22 am
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Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:37 am to abellsujr
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Another thing, just because Brand hasn't gotten to the planet yet, Edmunds had already been there. How hard would it be for them to send some small ships through the wormhole if it was open when they had already finished the gravity equation? They already knew there were three possible planets that were inhabitable. They could have very easily checked them out. They didn't because the wormhole is closed. They can't.
It's not as if they can gather up all of humanity in an afternoon, and also build more of those tubes to house all of humanity. Realistically, they could have just wrapped that up, since I'd imagine it would take at least 2 generations to get humanity at large off of Earth.
Plus I think Jonah said that the wormhole closed when it spit out Cooper.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 10:47 am
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:41 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Right. I might have misunderstood and jumped the gun but Brand would be on that planet for a very very long time. I think we are talking about the same thing now. But since time doesn't technically "exist" in a linear way in the black hole, the time it took to get to the black hole would be how long she waited not while he was in it. Does this makes sense? I'm confusing myself as I am typing this.
If you looked into a black hole from a distance through a telescope, it would appear to be basically standing still, when in its own time it's a violent rapid force. If you were to view the Endurance from a distance, it would look frozen in time as they were sling shooting around it. It would take about 50 years for that to happen. Once she's out of its gravitational field, then time would go back to normal. Time exists in a black hole, it's just warped and spread out much more thinly.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:43 am to OMLandshark
quote:Why not send a couple of small ships? Nobody is saying you have to send the whole population.
It's not as if they can gather up all of humanity in an afternoon, and also build more of those tubes to house all of humanity. Realistically, they could have just rapped that up, since I'd imagine it would take at least 2 generations to get humanity at large off of Earth.
Plus I think Jonah said that the wormhole closed when it spit out Cooper.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:43 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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However...... He could have jumped back in time. Since it takes so much Earth time while he is near the black hole, Murph could have figured out the whole thing and launched while they were still on the Ice or Water planet. The black hole could have shown a "past" of Murph when he sent the watch signal then came out behind his timeline and Brand could only have been on Edmunds for a short while.
Nah, what Murph was doing was the present for at least their time on Mann's planet due to the message of Plan B actually being the true plan.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:46 am to abellsujr
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Why not send a couple of small ships? Nobody is saying you have to send the whole population.
Because they're no longer in a desperate situation, and their time was probably best utilized getting humanity at large into space rather than sending more people out to find the remaining Endurance and Lazurus crews, especially since they would either be dead or in cryogenic sleep, to where there's no point in rushing to them.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:48 am to OMLandshark
quote:But they were sending people out into space at the end of the movie. They're not in a desperate situation, but are you saying they would rather live on a space station than a planet? Why not check it out? It doesn't make sense, unless it's closed.
Because they're no longer in a desperate situation, and their time was probably best utilized getting humanity at large into space rather than sending more people out to find the remaining Endurance and Lazurus crews, especially since they would either be dead or in cryogenic sleep, to where there's no point in rushing to them.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:54 am to abellsujr
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But they were sending people out into space at the end of the movie. They're not in a desperate situation, but are you saying they would rather live on a space station than a planet? Why not check it out? It doesn't make sense, unless it's closed.
First off, they're not positive how hospitable the planets actually are to humanity at large. Secondly, they are as separated from the verge of extinction as we are from the Moon Landing. It's really not all that unbelievable that they focus their resources on getting humanity off of Earth and then sending out missions through the wormhole to see what's actually going on. This makes a lot of sense to me, and I don't think you'd think that at all if Jonah didn't say that in a interview. Seriously, where the frick does Cooper think he's going if the wormhole is closed? He's not going to find her or have the means to do it regardless.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 10:57 am to OMLandshark
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Seriously, where the frick does Cooper think he's going if the wormhole is closed? He's not going to find her or have the means to do it regardless.
Have we asked if it's possible to use the gravity equation to travel at speeds capable of reaching Brand without the wormhole?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:00 am to OMLandshark
quote:But they have results from Edmunds. There is a high probability that one of the planets in that system is inhabitable.
First off, they're not positive how hospitable the planets actually are to humanity at large.
quote:But, all they have to do is go through a wormhole that is supposedly right next to them. They're sending ships out anyway. Why not send a couple to three possible planets that can sustain life.
Secondly, they are as separated from the verge of extinction as we are from the Moon Landing. It's really not all that unbelievable that they focus their resources on getting humanity off of Earth and then sending out missions through the wormhole to see what's actually going on.
quote:Where was he going when he detached from Brand? He was going to die. You keep grasping on to this concept. Why is it so hard to believe that he wouldn't go exploring and risk his life?
Seriously, where the frick does Cooper think he's going if the wormhole is closed? He's not going to find her or have the means to do it regardless.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 11:02 am
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:02 am to Esquire
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Have we asked if it's possible to use the gravity equation to travel at speeds capable of reaching Brand without the wormhole?
Unless it can create wormholes (and that would require an unbelievable amount of energy that would almost certainly not be possible from the technology they have) as well as knowing the exact coordinates of Gargantua's solar system, then I highly doubt it. The unsolved gravity equation as I understand it is more about producing weightlessness and becoming untethered from gravity, not warping space time like a wormhole does.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:04 am to OMLandshark
quote:Man, that sounds like a desperate situation to me.
Secondly, they are as separated from the verge of extinction as we are from the Moon Landing
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:13 am to abellsujr
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But they have results from Edmunds. There is a high probability that one of the planets in that system is inhabitable.
But that's not their main concern right now. The people there are either dead or cryogenically frozen in time. There's no need to rush over there, and their main goal is to get all of humanity in space at that point.
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But, all they have to do is go through a wormhole that is supposedly right next to them. They're sending ships out anyway. Why not send a couple to three possible planets that can sustain life.
Did you read anything in my post? I've explained this to you. It's either you're not reading it or you just don't get it, do ya? You don't.
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Where was he going when he detached from Brand? He was going to die. You keep grasping on to this concept. Why is it so hard to believe that he wouldn't go exploring and risk his life?
Because it's even more preposterous of being stuck on an abandoned island with no resources, and somehow swim to another island on the opposite side of the planet without drowning, starving, being dehydrated, or killed by any other number of things that could happen. That shuttle couldn't make it to Alpha Centauri, nevertheless another galaxy that we don't exactly know where it is. It takes away from the end of the film and makes no fricking sense.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:18 am to OMLandshark
The wormhole is closed. It makes no sense that they would not scope out the planets. They've sent people into space on small ships. Your argument is very flawed. Brand is alone and no one else has been on that planet other than Edmunds. She's starting Plan B.
Also, nice personal attacks. I can see you're mad.
quote:When does it become a concern?
But that's not their main concern right now.
quote:Well if the wormhole is open, they sure are taking their time.
There's no need to rush over there, and their main goal is to get all of humanity in space at that point.
Also, nice personal attacks. I can see you're mad.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 11:19 am
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:23 am to Esquire
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Have we asked if it's possible to use the gravity equation to travel at speeds capable of reaching Brand without the wormhole?
No and it is a good question.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:25 am to abellsujr
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abellsujr
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Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:27 am to Byron Bojangles III
The wormhole is closed damn it.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:32 am to abellsujr
I have two stances. I agree it's closed. I agree it makes no sense for it to be closed.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:33 am to abellsujr
Where in the movie does it say that it closed?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:35 am to Xenophon
I'm pretty sure I remember Coop saying it closed when he went back through it.
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