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re: The OFFICIAL 85th Annual Academy Award In-Game Thread *ARGO WINS BEST PICTURE!*
Posted on 2/25/13 at 9:33 am to Froman
Posted on 2/25/13 at 9:33 am to Froman
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It went up against Lincoln which is a film centered on a man who is widely considered the greatest president ever.
The frick? I have studied Lincoln a lot, and I most certainly do not find this to be true. Even his proponents don't argue for him as the greatest president ever.
It doesn't matter, man. He may have actually been a very mediocre president, but when you are faced with the publication of the truth or the legend, you print the legend. In the pantheon of ex-presidents, there are 3 that stand out in their popularity and in the reverence for them: (1) Washington, (2) FDR, and (3) Lincoln. (Sorry, not Reagan... Not yet anyway).
A film about one of the most popular presidents in history (perhaps not at the time he was in office, but as the history books write), in which you have DDL playing the lead, Spielberg directing, and 3 actors nominated for awards, you have what was supposed to be the odds-on favorite to win best picture going as far back as the poster for Lincoln being leaked.
In fact, Argo and Lincoln were the two pony race to the best picture win, which is why this statement:
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No. It went up against many films, including one very flawed adaptation of a popular president. There were many others. The real test is whether or not we'll remember Argo as well as its competitors. It's Shakespeare in Love at best, a sick joke about the effect of pop media on average opinion at worst. Either way, forgettable.
is complete bullshite. Obviously there were other films nominated, you jackass (blueboy), and the true test of any movie is whether it stands the test of time, but that is not what will or won't make Argo the next Crash or Shakespeare in Love. There was no truly standout from the pack movie this year like with Saving Private Ryan (though some may argue otherwise, SPR was heavily favored to win).
The only real argument that I'll lend credence to is when the Academy waters down the voting pool by having 9 nominees instead of 5, it becomes difficult to beat back the late groundswell of a movie's popularity. I can definitely see some of the votes that would have gone to Lincoln going to Amour, Life of Pi, or SLP. In that sense, maybe, MAYBE, Argo didn't deserve the win AS MUCH as some of the previous winners, but it did most everything right. Doesn't hurt that Hollywood apparently hates Spielberg and loves Clooney, either.
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Posted on 2/25/13 at 9:41 am to LoveThatMoney
Spielberg is very polarizing in Hollywood. There are those who consider him a genius and there are those who consider him a mainstream sentimental hack. You saw this with the BAFTAs. He wasn't even nominated. When he failed to garner a nomination there I knew his Oscar chances were in trouble because quite a few people who vote for the BAFTAs also vote for the Oscars. The foreign Academy voters, especially the British contingent, dislike most things they consider to be "mainstream."
Sentimentalism is so 20th Century but even in that era it was looked down upon. Had Spielberg been directing in the 40s and the 50s he would have won 5 or 6 Oscars. Alas he came around in the 70s, a decade in which Hollywood was going through a fundamental change.
Sentimentalism is so 20th Century but even in that era it was looked down upon. Had Spielberg been directing in the 40s and the 50s he would have won 5 or 6 Oscars. Alas he came around in the 70s, a decade in which Hollywood was going through a fundamental change.
This post was edited on 2/25/13 at 9:46 am
Posted on 2/25/13 at 9:59 am to LoveThatMoney
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This is nonsensical. Argo won the Golden Globe, PGA, and Critic's Choice awards. It went up against Lincoln which is a film centered on a man who is widely considered the greatest president ever. Politics and such didn't play into the win. Argo was spectacular. The only movie that I thought was in the same ballpark was ZDT, and frankly, that movie dragged a bit. Quit with the hate on Ben Affleck.
We might disagree on some things, but well said.
Posted on 2/25/13 at 10:01 am to Byron Bojangles III
quote:He was almost exclusively a TV actor. That's just the way they look at it.
Why the hell wasn't Andy Griffith in the "In Memory" tribute?
Posted on 2/25/13 at 10:45 am to LoveThatMoney
quote:I never said there was a standout film that was upset. I said Argo was/is forgettable, like many other politically-based movies in recent years. Like SIL, it's Oscar push came from heavy "lobbying" so to speak, in this case an epic post-inauguration party at the White House last month, which is also the reason Michelle Obama presented for Best Picture.
is complete bullshite. Obviously there were other films nominated, you jackass (blueboy), and the true test of any movie is whether it stands the test of time, but that is not what will or won't make Argo the next Crash or Shakespeare in Love. There was no truly standout from the pack movie this year like with Saving Private Ryan (though some may argue otherwise, SPR was heavily favored to win).
No one is saying anything about it "deserving" to win. It deserved it as much as the winner of any popularity contest. Life of Pi was my favorite flick of the year, and it won 4 Oscars. Did it "deserve" them? I'm not even sure what that word is supposed to mean in this context.
I don't give much of a shite about your personal formula for a film's "forget-ability" or your pop-culture ranking of the presidents, but I do agree with your view on the larger pool of nominees, for your and other reasons. That's what I meant by "fragmentation of the voting pool" in an earlier post, which you may have missed. It was a fast-moving thread, so that's okay. Just, you know, fricking pay attention next time.
Posted on 2/25/13 at 10:47 am to blueboy
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He was almost exclusively a TV actor.
They were honoring publicists and marketing executives as well. Plus...Andy Griffith was in several movies.
Posted on 2/25/13 at 10:51 am to RollTide1987
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They were honoring publicists and marketing executives as well. Plus...Andy Griffith was in several movies.
Posted on 2/25/13 at 11:03 am to CP3LSU25
I love how you people talk about how your favorite movie is the best like it's a fact.
Posted on 2/25/13 at 12:18 pm to RollTide1987
quote:I agree that he deserved to be recognized. I'm just saying that's their mentality. I don't think they hate Andy Griffith.
They were honoring publicists and marketing executives as well. Plus...Andy Griffith was in several movies.
Posted on 2/25/13 at 2:05 pm to blueboy
Actually, it is a little odd they didn't mention Andy Griffith. Check out A Face In the Crowd and No Time for Seargents
Posted on 2/25/13 at 10:09 pm to Macintosh504
Was Seth considered a success to the media? To me he was. Having him and Kimmel do these types of Awards Shows really appeals to people in their mid 20s like myself. Before, it came off as a pompous show.
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