re: The Odyssey Trailer #2

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I think we might have gotten to the stage where Nolan is too full of his own bullshite to accept the criticism necessary to make this kind of complicated movie.

There's too many things wrong with the casting and language to bother discussing. An epic is meant to be epic, not sound like dialogue from Lassie. Say what you want about the flaws but Troy nails a lot of things Nolan appears to have whiffed on badly.

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Correct.

And I have to stress, this has nothing to do with his casting choices.

His whole design of this movie (certainly won't be a film) seems bad/off.

Using Gladiator wasn't a good choice. While a great movie, the production and characters were very "Hollywood". Also, it's much easier to do imperial Rome historically accurate.

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To impose that diversity retroactively is to colonize (and come on lefties...you HATE colonisation so...) the past with the present’s demographics. It is the aesthetic equivalent of making King Arthur Black or Cleopatra Korean: it can be done as fan-fiction or satire, but when presented as the definitive version, it treats the audience like children who cannot handle a story that doesn’t mirror a 2026 college campus.

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Focusing on race is kind of stupid. Historical accuracy went out the window when they moved it from a Bronze Age conflict to armor/weapons of 400-500 years after the time period when the conflict in Troy likely happened. Accuracy went out the window when they chose steel. There's no rational reason to call for racial purity while ignoring that. The past was already "colonised" with steel.

The reason Gladiator succeeded and this movie will likely fail is because its overall design was done better. Now, this is much easier to accomplish with Imperial Rome, but Ridley Scott had a keen eye for the production as a whole. He was able to mix a very "Hollywood" story into a historical setting with minimal gravitas mixed in. To retcon Gladiator as some elevated act of poetry is completely dishonest. And it even had "race mixing" with one of the major side characters, which destroys the larger point attempted by that X post.

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The emperor wasn’t black in Gladiator,

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Menelaus, Agamemnon, Odysseus, etc. are white in this movie.

Again, The Odyssey threw out historical accuracy when it chose to use technology, arms, weapons, etc. from 400-ish years later. That's more important than the race of actors.

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What day did yall watch it? I guess I missed the early release. I was only able to watch the 2 minute trailer, not the 3 hour run time.

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Can't believe I'm about to defend SFP of all people, but here we are. Do the words "appears" and "seems" not register with you?

Why wait for the movie to come out when we can jump to conclusions now? Haha that seems to be the mindset of the people that keep starting new threads about this movie.

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Nolan whiffed on ALL the things Ridley Scott nailed

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Wait what?

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and the WHOLE design of this movie is off

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The entire point of that post was missed, apparently. I'm not even the one who first brought up Gladiator, and I specifically said using Gladiator as a comparison (for the argument made by the X content creator, not my own) was bad. I even said Scott had an easier time being set in the time of Imperial Rome.

To read that post and come away with "Ridley Scott did everything right and Nolan did everything wrong" is just...weird.

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It’s not like the orchestra existed back then.

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And steel did?

Every day it appears more that this is Nolan's white whale that he fricked up entirely by not having people tell him "no" or "that's retarded"

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You could have just said no, the words didn't register for you

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Or, that maybe in like 5 different threads now and even in those particular comments, though someone says "seems like", they have already pre-judge the entire movie.

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That was a previous poster right before you.

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Quote the post that says

"Nolan whiffed on ALL the things Ridley Scott nailed"