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Posted on 7/22/26 at 11:03 am to RLDSC FAN
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and I knew Page playing Achilles was nonsense.
Who played Achilles?
Posted on 7/22/26 at 11:07 am to Flats
No one. Achilles died in the Illiad and is not reflected on screen in this film
Posted on 7/22/26 at 11:41 am to Jay Are
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Isn't this context pretty important to how we're supposed to interpret that line?
The most important part is the actual line. He says Sinon is the bravest young man he ever knew, not soldier or warrior.
I just got out of my morning rewatch in 70mm after watching in normal imax last week. I take back my criticism of Damon. Knowing how it plays out, I was able to appreciate his version of Odysseus more.
Most importantly, that exclusive 70mm Dune 3 footage was incredible. The comparisons to Saving Private Ryan were not hyperbole.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 11:59 am to Fun Bunch
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Achilles died in the Illiad and is not reflected on screen in this film
I know. In The Odyssey he just had a small part as a ghost, right?
Posted on 7/22/26 at 12:13 pm to Flats
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I know. In The Odyssey he just had a small part as a ghost, right?
Sinon fills that role and it works for the movie because his conversation with the dead is more centered on his men and the ones he lost.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 12:14 pm to Tiger1242
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Sinon fills that role
That’s what it sounds like. They just changed the name.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 12:31 pm to Flats
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They just changed the name.
No. They changed the people he meets in the underworld to his crew from the movie that had passed rather than achilles who doesnt make an appearance in the film.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 12:35 pm to sgallo3
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No.
I didn't say he filled the role that Achilles played in the Hades conversation, someone else said that. Maybe they're wrong?
Posted on 7/22/26 at 12:39 pm to Flats
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That’s what it sounds like. They just changed the name.
This is not correct at all in the sense you are saying.
But of course, you haven’t seen the movie
Posted on 7/22/26 at 12:52 pm to Fun Bunch
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But of course, you haven’t seen the movie
1. That only seems to matter if you're not glazing the movie. None of you care if someone's seen the movie if they're talking about how awesome it's going to be.
2. I'm not making claims, I asked someone who saw it and they said Sinon filled the role of Achilles for the Hades conversation. That would be the only appearance of Achilles in Homer's Odyssey, correct?
Posted on 7/22/26 at 12:58 pm to Flats
Just to add context, yes, in Homer's the Odyssey he sees Achilles in Hades. Achilles in this way touches on one of the central themes of Homer: Glory. Odysseus early on is chasing it to his ruin. Achilles essentially tells him in hell that he'd rather be alive and a slave than glorious and dead.
Nolan's version does not pursue the glory theme for Odysseus at all. Instead it is much more Christianized and focuses on Odysseus's guilt and shame over letting Sinon be sacrificed, and in giving a gift to the Trojans that was duplicitous and then wiping them out completely. They violate "Zeus's Law" (which is mentioned multiple times here, but not really by Homer). Zeus's law is essentially the Golden Rule, clearly.
It could not be more thematically different, and there is a specific purpose for the change in the adaptation that he makes.
Emily Wilson, for instance, who did the most recent translation and injects a lot of her feminist world view and dislike for Odysseus in it, did not like the film at all because of its abandonment of the "glory" theme and the focus on Odysseus's own shame and guilt, Christian themes
Nolan's version does not pursue the glory theme for Odysseus at all. Instead it is much more Christianized and focuses on Odysseus's guilt and shame over letting Sinon be sacrificed, and in giving a gift to the Trojans that was duplicitous and then wiping them out completely. They violate "Zeus's Law" (which is mentioned multiple times here, but not really by Homer). Zeus's law is essentially the Golden Rule, clearly.
It could not be more thematically different, and there is a specific purpose for the change in the adaptation that he makes.
Emily Wilson, for instance, who did the most recent translation and injects a lot of her feminist world view and dislike for Odysseus in it, did not like the film at all because of its abandonment of the "glory" theme and the focus on Odysseus's own shame and guilt, Christian themes
This post was edited on 7/22/26 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 7/22/26 at 1:01 pm to Flats
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I asked someone who saw it and they said Sinon filled the role of Achilles for the Hades conversation.
See above. Not in the sense you are desperately trying to infer.
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That would be the only appearance of Achilles in Homer's Odyssey, correct?
Correct, however those that would have read Odyssey would have read Illiad, it would have been like reading the first chapters of the Lord of the Rings (that make up the Felllowship film, for instance) and not the rest.
This film doesn't have that luxury, it is self contained.
It is entirely purposeful and thematically important within the film.
This is not "glazing", its how it works. But again, you haven't seen it.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 1:03 pm to Fun Bunch
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But again, you haven't seen it.
Got any examples of you trying to play hall monitor for someone who hasn't seen it but thinks it'll be great? If not, frick off with that nonsense.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 1:05 pm to Flats
I don't even know what you're trying to say.
You are trying to make disingenuous points about the film without having the context of viewing it.
Go see it.
You are trying to make disingenuous points about the film without having the context of viewing it.
Go see it.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 1:10 pm to skrayper
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we don't know if there wasn't an Ancient Greek version of slang terms... but probably best to leave them out, just as to leave out phrases that would be nonsensical to modern audiences
Fake ancient vernacular can be done well in the right hands though.
John Hannah in Spartacus is a great example.
This post was edited on 7/22/26 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 7/22/26 at 1:26 pm to Fun Bunch
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don't even know what you're trying to say.
I'm not sure how to make it simpler.
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Got any examples of you trying to play hall monitor for someone who hasn't seen it but thinks it'll be great?
Just say "no" if that's the answer, don't try to play dumb.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 1:29 pm to Flats
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I'm not sure how to make it simpler.
Go ahead, give it a try.
What are you actually asking, and why are you asking it? What is the purpose of the question?
Posted on 7/22/26 at 2:10 pm to Flats
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Got any examples of you trying to play hall monitor for someone who hasn't seen it but thinks it'll be great? If not, frick off with that nonsense.
Do you have any examples of anyone saying this since the movie has been released?
Also, can you provide any examples of anyone "trying to hall monitor" for people simply thinking it will be bad? Because as far as I have seen, it only happens when people that haven't seen the movie comments directly about what happens in the movie.
Thanks.
Posted on 7/22/26 at 2:12 pm to Salmon
"This move is woke garbage and it sucks"
"have you seen it"
"why are you asking me this??? are you trying to take away my freedom of speech????? My opinion is just as valid!!!
Also no I haven't seen it"
"have you seen it"
"why are you asking me this??? are you trying to take away my freedom of speech????? My opinion is just as valid!!!
Also no I haven't seen it"
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