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The MCU/Avengers story line is the most impressive in cinema history, esp the ending
Posted on 4/14/19 at 7:53 am
Posted on 4/14/19 at 7:53 am
so this year we will have the wrap ups of 3 of the biggest long form storylines in modern narrative history. Star War, Game of Thrones, and the Avengers/MCU (I know they are going to keep making MCU movies but this is the primary arc and the rest is just universe building)
the real theme behind this thread is how these stories end, because one the one hand, the Avengers/MCU finale is the most anticipated final act since Return of the Jedi (so 36 years), and it may even surpass the anticipation for the ending of the SW-OT (although modern society, technology, etc make it somewhat unfair)
simply put: GOT and Star Wars are ending on a thud. i have no real excitement for the ending of GOT and i thought of this thread while reading people on here freaking out about it this morning. why am i not excited? because season 7 was horrible (and seasons 5-6 weren't much better). the final set up just destroyed so much that made the story intriguing and interesting and it's effectively just a chore to finish. i'm curious how D/D finish things, but i'm not excited about it and lack anticipation
Star Wars has similar issues but they're not inflicted due to lack of talent (which is the issue with D/D and GOT). Star Wars was intentionally trashed (er, deconstructed) by episode 7. it's writer-director purposefully destroyed all the Star Wars from the universe and has left a canvas made of shite to construct the final act. while D/D could synthesize the works of others well, they just could not formulate their own product at a high level. RJ created a very well-produced middle finger to the entire history and lore of the SW universe
and then there is the MCU. Infinity War was one of the most historical movies in cinema history. while it was a great movie on its own, it tied together an entire universe of right at 20 movies. it had the character quantity of GOT with the lore of Star Wars, and it combined both incredibly well with a real love/respect for the underlying subject (which RJ lacked with SW) as well as a superior talent to tie it all together (which D/D lack)
if you could rank anticipation from 0-10, with 10 being the best, it's like a 1 for SW, 3 for GOT, and 12 for the MCU
the real theme behind this thread is how these stories end, because one the one hand, the Avengers/MCU finale is the most anticipated final act since Return of the Jedi (so 36 years), and it may even surpass the anticipation for the ending of the SW-OT (although modern society, technology, etc make it somewhat unfair)
simply put: GOT and Star Wars are ending on a thud. i have no real excitement for the ending of GOT and i thought of this thread while reading people on here freaking out about it this morning. why am i not excited? because season 7 was horrible (and seasons 5-6 weren't much better). the final set up just destroyed so much that made the story intriguing and interesting and it's effectively just a chore to finish. i'm curious how D/D finish things, but i'm not excited about it and lack anticipation
Star Wars has similar issues but they're not inflicted due to lack of talent (which is the issue with D/D and GOT). Star Wars was intentionally trashed (er, deconstructed) by episode 7. it's writer-director purposefully destroyed all the Star Wars from the universe and has left a canvas made of shite to construct the final act. while D/D could synthesize the works of others well, they just could not formulate their own product at a high level. RJ created a very well-produced middle finger to the entire history and lore of the SW universe
and then there is the MCU. Infinity War was one of the most historical movies in cinema history. while it was a great movie on its own, it tied together an entire universe of right at 20 movies. it had the character quantity of GOT with the lore of Star Wars, and it combined both incredibly well with a real love/respect for the underlying subject (which RJ lacked with SW) as well as a superior talent to tie it all together (which D/D lack)
if you could rank anticipation from 0-10, with 10 being the best, it's like a 1 for SW, 3 for GOT, and 12 for the MCU
10
Posted on 4/14/19 at 7:55 am to SlowFlowPro
It is certainly the most successful 20+ movie arc. Jesus how many of those are there? What other series hasn’t completely fallen off after like the 3rd or even 4th movie in rare circumstances (rocky)
Posted on 4/14/19 at 7:56 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:11 am to SlowFlowPro
I just want to see this.
If Steve dies and they have Bucky take over similar to the comics, this would be a hell of a way to send him off.
If Steve dies and they have Bucky take over similar to the comics, this would be a hell of a way to send him off.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:13 am to elprez00
too bad Mjölnir was destroyed. they haven't really set the same sort of rules/parameters with the axe
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:14 am to SlowFlowPro
Infinity War was boring. Too many comic books movies.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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too bad Mjölnir was destroyed.
I have a feeling it’ll be making a return. You don’t set up Cap nudging it in Ultron to never pay it off.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:19 am to elprez00
i imagine if joss whedon was still running things that would happen
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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joss whedon
Hated cap. His character stunk in the original avengers movie
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:27 am to jlovel7
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What other series hasn’t completely fallen off after like the 3rd or even 4th movie in rare circumstances (rocky)
James Bond says hello.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:29 am to MF Doom
that's a good point that i hadn't thought of
i'm not a big cap fan, but he has become much better once whedon left
also with whedon's philosophy/style, i can see why he wouldn't promote cap. hell by now black widow would be running the avengers if whedon was running things
i'm not a big cap fan, but he has become much better once whedon left
also with whedon's philosophy/style, i can see why he wouldn't promote cap. hell by now black widow would be running the avengers if whedon was running things
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Just letting you know in didn't read all that bullshite and you're a dweeb
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
Agree on all accounts
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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because season 7 was horrible (and seasons 5-6 weren't much better). the final set up just destroyed so much that made the story intriguing and interesting and it's effectively just a chore to finish. i'm curious how D/D finish things, but i'm not excited about it and lack anticipation
Preach.
I really need to watch the marvel movies at some point.
Posted on 4/14/19 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
I unfortunately have to agree with you. I don’t think I need to elaborate why Star Wars blows chunks now, but Game of Thrones seems to have gone down to the simplicity Fattie promised us it would not go down. It’s really good vs evil now. You’ve got all the good guys on a single front, a bunch of ice zombies on another, and a crazy bitch, a monstrous ogre, mass murdering Jack Sparrow, and Josef Mengele on the final front. I think the books are more leading to Tyrion vs Varys vs Littlefinger as its endgame and then moving pieces to conquer/save the Seven Kingdoms, which means everyone won’t be on the same side at the end. If Game of Thrones ending sucks, Sir Too Fat To Write A Book should never hear the end of it.
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 9:07 am
Posted on 4/14/19 at 9:03 am to St Augustine
they're mostly good, some are excellent. there are a lot of fun/funny ones. you don't have to watch them all (hell i still haven't seen iron man 2, half of 3, captain marvel and 2/3 of ant man)
an interesting thread would be the "bare bones" movies to still appreciate IW/Endgame. something like
Phase One: Iron Man, Thor, The First Avenger (the 3 origin stories of our 3 most important avengers), and Avengers
Phase Two: GOTG, Age of Ultron
Phase Three: Winter Soldier, Civil War, IW
other movies not in there that i'd recommend: Thor 2 (people hate it but i don't), GOTG2, Spider Man: Homecoming, and Thor: Ragnarok
imho, you can skip a lot of the lesser origin stories (Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Captain Marvel) and both Iron Man sequels (and most will tell you to skip Thor 2 but at least it has an infinity stone in play). Ant Man is highly regarded on its own as a fun movie i just never wanted to watch it over other options
an interesting thread would be the "bare bones" movies to still appreciate IW/Endgame. something like
Phase One: Iron Man, Thor, The First Avenger (the 3 origin stories of our 3 most important avengers), and Avengers
Phase Two: GOTG, Age of Ultron
Phase Three: Winter Soldier, Civil War, IW
other movies not in there that i'd recommend: Thor 2 (people hate it but i don't), GOTG2, Spider Man: Homecoming, and Thor: Ragnarok
imho, you can skip a lot of the lesser origin stories (Dr. Strange, Black Panther, Captain Marvel) and both Iron Man sequels (and most will tell you to skip Thor 2 but at least it has an infinity stone in play). Ant Man is highly regarded on its own as a fun movie i just never wanted to watch it over other options
Posted on 4/14/19 at 9:04 am to OMLandshark
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It’s really good vs evil now.
and the most simplistic version of that
the irony of us saying this and OP is that this is exactly what Star Wars needed in episodes 6-7 and RJ tried to GOT episode 7
D/D are Star Wars'ing GOT and it just doesn't fit
Posted on 4/14/19 at 9:22 am to SlowFlowPro
Appreciate the breakdown. I loved the first Ironman and saw the second one as well but don’t really remember anything outside of rourke and his whip and the car race in Monaco.
The apex in popularity just came at a time in life that we just weren’t going to a lot of movies/more prone to getting into long form series instead of movies. Think I’ll watch the ones you listed when they’re out on that new Disney+ and can crank through them.
The apex in popularity just came at a time in life that we just weren’t going to a lot of movies/more prone to getting into long form series instead of movies. Think I’ll watch the ones you listed when they’re out on that new Disney+ and can crank through them.
This post was edited on 4/14/19 at 9:26 am
Posted on 4/14/19 at 9:42 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm not a big cap fan, but he has become much better once whedon left
You appreciate his character more when you watch something like TLJ that needlessly tries to deconstruct the hero
Posted on 4/14/19 at 9:43 am to Bench McElroy
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What other series hasn’t completely fallen off after like the 3rd or even 4th movie in rare circumstances (rocky)
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James Bond says hello.
The golden age of Hollywood had tons of ongoing series. From 1932 to 1963 you had a Tarzan movie almost every year. Sometimes two in one year. Sherlock Holmes, The Saint... we just grew up in a time when Bond and Planet of the Apes were anomalies instead of the previous norm.
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