re: The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power S1, Episode 3 Thread | Amazon | Available Now

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Sauron is the more gifted smith, he served under Aule (while Celebrimbor learned from Feanor). Sauron's One is more powerful than the Three, which shows he has the greater craft.

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No doubt Sauron was the greater smith.

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I'm suggesting that in addition to trial and error, Sauron was also intentionally limiting what was being made.

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I agree as the One Ring was the ultimate in control.

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they didn't corrupt their owners like the other ones did.

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Without his involvement, meaning he never touched them, they who wore the 3 rings could not be corrupted. I think though he was still aware of them because it was his magic that was used in the creation/forging of them, just he could not control them. It did allow the elves to see his true identity at that point.

Later it was the power of the rings that protected Rivendell and Lothlorien.

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But when the One was destroyed, the Three crapped out. If they were completely independent, then they would have endured.

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I found and either forgot or did not realize they lost their power as well.

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“ Yet if you succeed, then our power is diminished, and Lothlórien will fade, and the tides of Time will sweep it away. We must depart into the West, or dwindle to a rustic folk of dell and cave, slowly to forget and to be forgotten.“
- Galadriel

There was debate among the wise what would actually happen when the ring was destroyed, whether the 3 and all the works done by the 3 would fade or not. But that is what Galadriel refers to here in FotR and is what happened.

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“ In Eregion the craftsmen of the Gwaith-i-Mírdain, the People of the Jewel-smiths, surpassed in cunning all that have ever wrought, save only Fëanor himself; and indeed greatest in skill among them was Celebrimbor,”

I’m not caught up. In fact I just watched the first and part of the second last night. I enjoyed it much more than I expected, even though I’m not crazy about some aspects.

It is clear to me that the discovery and activation of the sword with blood (Sauron’s sword, presumably) triggered 2 things:
- the awakening of Sauron and of evil, as evidenced by the immediate dying of leaves
- the response of the Valar, in immediately sending meteor man, whether he is a blue wizard or Gandalf himself, but regardless some Maiar sent to investigate and deal with Sauron

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I don't quite agree with this. The One Ring is more powerful, not because Sauron is a greater smith than Celebrimbor, but because Sauron is the most powerful living thing in Middle Earth and puts much of his own power into the One Ring.

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I think Sauron was a better smith than Celebrimbor. Sauron needed the complicity of the elves for his plan to work. I’d think only Aulë and Fëanor were superior smiths to Sauron.

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the response of the Valar, in immediately sending meteor man, whether he is a blue wizard or Gandalf himself, but regardless some Maiar sent to investigate and deal with Sauron

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Unless they just ignore Tolkien's lore, this cannot be Gandalf, he did not arrive in middle earth until the third age. The blue wizards were sent ahead of Gandalf, Radigast and Saurmon.

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I’m aware, but for this production Gandalf remains a possibility. I really hope it’s a blue wizard because of lore and because it gives a lot of freedom to characterize the blue wizards without undermining Gandalf.

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As Amazon has the rights to only the Hobbit and LOTR I am not sure if they can contradict the story of Gandalf. So far they have only condensed the timeline of the SA and their introduction characters still falls in line with the Lore for the story. But no where does any book or writing say Gandalf came before the TA.

I did just read one theory that he may be Tom Bombadil. That would be interesting if that happens.

Question: Can whoever starts the Episode 4 thread put a "NO FEUDING" and "NO ARGUING" and "NO CHILD-LIKE BEHAVIOR" in the first post.

Reading this thread is becoming untenable smh.

So it’s the blue wizard or bust at this point?

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What's the consensus on this series thus far?

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It’s not bad but it’s also not good. It feels tolkien 40% and the other 60% new age version of LOTR. They are changing characters and making middle earth more diverse than Seattle. Nothing has really been accomplished or happened in 3 episodes.