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re: The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power S1, Ep. 1 and 2 Thread | Amazon 9:00 pm EDT
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:50 pm to CP3LSU25
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:50 pm to CP3LSU25
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Ladies and gentlemen you just outed yourself. No matter what they do anything is possible as long as we can get 20 million people to watch it. frick whatever we have to do in between to get there. SMFH
They failed before they even started with that attitude.
I know this may be painful for Tolkien fans to accept, but Amazon did not make this TV show to satisfy your personal desire to see more of Tolkien's world brought to life, exactly as he wrote it.
They made the show to make money. I know ... it's tragic.
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Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:52 pm to OMLandshark
And by the way, if that paper ship scene with a young Galadriel is important, flashback to it instead. Is that really the first scene in Lord of the fricking Rings you want to show your audience? Here's a reminder of another show of the first scene they showed to set the tone: Game of Thrones
Yeah, that appropriately sets the tone. If it's Galadriel sailing paper ship, then I'm good on this series.
Yeah, that appropriately sets the tone. If it's Galadriel sailing paper ship, then I'm good on this series.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:53 pm to SammyTiger
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Could they show that if they didn’t have the right to the Silmarillion?
They showed the Two Trees, so I don't see why they could show that and not the Oath of Feanor.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:55 pm to GOP_Tiger
The First Age is incredible. It's basically the Old Testament of Middle Earth.
The reson The Silmarillion never was a giant mega hit among the mainstream was/is because it's almost impossible to adapt to the screen because it covers so much ground and because the book itself is not a compelling narrative work (from a traditional fiction standpoint) and instead is presented almost as a non-fiction re-capping of ancient tales, very simarly to ancient religious texts such as the Bible or Torah.
Tolkein basically just wrote it so he had a background for why everything in LOTR was the way it was. It was his roadmap. His history.
The Hobbit was a children's book and LOTR was also aimed at the masses and focused only on a short, succinct period of time.
If a studio could get the rights to The Silmarillion, they would have to focus only on small parts of the book and make anthology series put of each tale instead of trying to tackle the whole thing.
Are you telling me that a story about Feanor and the Flight of the Noldor would not be compelling?
Are you telling me that seeing a finale of Fingolfin riding alone to the gates of Angband and challenging Morgoth would not be one of the most heoric things you've ever seen in the screen?
Of course it would. But it would also require a ton of work and money.
The reson The Silmarillion never was a giant mega hit among the mainstream was/is because it's almost impossible to adapt to the screen because it covers so much ground and because the book itself is not a compelling narrative work (from a traditional fiction standpoint) and instead is presented almost as a non-fiction re-capping of ancient tales, very simarly to ancient religious texts such as the Bible or Torah.
Tolkein basically just wrote it so he had a background for why everything in LOTR was the way it was. It was his roadmap. His history.
The Hobbit was a children's book and LOTR was also aimed at the masses and focused only on a short, succinct period of time.
If a studio could get the rights to The Silmarillion, they would have to focus only on small parts of the book and make anthology series put of each tale instead of trying to tackle the whole thing.
Are you telling me that a story about Feanor and the Flight of the Noldor would not be compelling?
Are you telling me that seeing a finale of Fingolfin riding alone to the gates of Angband and challenging Morgoth would not be one of the most heoric things you've ever seen in the screen?
Of course it would. But it would also require a ton of work and money.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:56 pm to TigerTroll11
It's coming at a different angle than I expected, so far.
Hard to judge, just yet. On the one hand, kinda thought the Elves would have more ... evidence of technology, maybe? But on the other, that wasn't their way- they more lived alongside nature, instead of building on it.
Celebrimbor- almost autistic.
They do address how the Elves see the world, in a way; Elrond is confused about why Durin is mad at him. Durin says he hasn't seen him in, what, 20 years... a time in which a lot has happened to him, marriage, kids etc. And yet, it's not long enough for an Elf to notice.
Arondir and his group= watching over the lands that supported Morgoth. Again, most of the Men hardly remember that, but to the Elves it's still recent.
I guess, it IS fairly consistent with what Tolkien wrote of the Elves in this- they are almost ethereal, childlike in the wonder of things, and yet haughty towards Men. The difference in lifespans make humans not even like pets, but almost like seasonal insects. We look alike, but the spirits are so far apart.
Dwarves- what is in the box? Arkenstone, maybe, or similar? My son guessed Mithril, but that wouldn't glow. I like the reverence to Aule, their creator.
Hard to judge, just yet. On the one hand, kinda thought the Elves would have more ... evidence of technology, maybe? But on the other, that wasn't their way- they more lived alongside nature, instead of building on it.
Celebrimbor- almost autistic.
They do address how the Elves see the world, in a way; Elrond is confused about why Durin is mad at him. Durin says he hasn't seen him in, what, 20 years... a time in which a lot has happened to him, marriage, kids etc. And yet, it's not long enough for an Elf to notice.
Arondir and his group= watching over the lands that supported Morgoth. Again, most of the Men hardly remember that, but to the Elves it's still recent.
I guess, it IS fairly consistent with what Tolkien wrote of the Elves in this- they are almost ethereal, childlike in the wonder of things, and yet haughty towards Men. The difference in lifespans make humans not even like pets, but almost like seasonal insects. We look alike, but the spirits are so far apart.
Dwarves- what is in the box? Arkenstone, maybe, or similar? My son guessed Mithril, but that wouldn't glow. I like the reverence to Aule, their creator.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:56 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I know this may be painful for Tolkien fans to accept, but Amazon did not make this TV show to satisfy your personal desire to see more of Tolkien's world brought to life, exactly as he wrote it. They made the show to make money. I know ... it's tragic.
You might as well piss on our backs and tell us it’s raining.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 10:59 pm to Roaad
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tub of lard Megan the stallion and cgi She Hulk twerking isn't doing it for you?
Haven't watched any of that or Ms. Marvel. Not sure I ever will.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:00 pm to CP3LSU25
I still can't believe Galadriel making a paper ship is the opening scene. I mean, seriously, what?! Even if it's important, there's no way that should have been the opening scene. I mean it's obvious: Galadriel under the Two Trees, Feanor asks for a lock of her hair, she says "no", and then he make the Silmarils. That's the obvious prologue to this story.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:01 pm to OMLandshark
That game of thrones pilot first scene is how you win over Book fans and just your regular average Joe watching it for the first time. I 100% agree.
Why are people accepting well it’s Better than the hobbit. WELL I frickING HOPE SO
Why are people accepting well it’s Better than the hobbit. WELL I frickING HOPE SO
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 11:03 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:07 pm to CP3LSU25
There seems to be a lot of layers to this. I think they kinda set the world, and now will begin to develop the subtleties involved.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:12 pm to Scoob
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There seems to be a lot of layers to this. I think they kinda set the world, and now will begin to develop the subtleties involved.
I'm glad the first and most important thing they got to addressing was a paper boat made by Galadriel as a child. Just compare that to the start of the film trilogy. I'm glad they got to the important things first. What a clown show that was the first thing this show thought we needed to see, even if that scene is important later on.
At best that's flashback material, but as the opening scene, with something as epic as Lord of the Rings is supposed to be, are you fricking kidding me? Here's LOST's opening scene for reference on how you start off a show: YouTube
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:14 pm to TigerTroll11
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No, everyone was complaining about this casting. I was skeptical too, but I think she's great. It can be done, but you just gotta have the right people.
The dwarves have been great.
Also, this meteor guy is Gandalf right?
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:15 pm to OMLandshark
Hey man, did you post about the first 2 minutes of the show yet?
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:16 pm to OMLandshark
fricking enough dude. Anyone who glances as this board has read your rants about this for months on multiple threads and now you are repeating yourself again. It’s just getting ridiculous. Everyone fricking gets your point. I mostly agree with you but sheesh go get married and have kids. You might find meaning in your life besides defending the millionaire Tolkien estate. Move on.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:17 pm to OMLandshark
Just turned this on and the beginning shot is something out of a Michael Bay film. Kids running around in the field on the 4th of July before an asteroid strikes or the auto bots arrive.
Production value is A+ though, have to give credit there..but the opening shot just threw me off completely. WTF….The next scene is what they should’ve started off with using the same music from LOTR opening.
Production value is A+ though, have to give credit there..but the opening shot just threw me off completely. WTF….The next scene is what they should’ve started off with using the same music from LOTR opening.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:19 pm to Jack Ruby
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Tolkein basically just wrote it so he had a background for why everything in LOTR was the way it was. It was his roadmap. His history.
This is not true. Tolkien's early drafts of parts of The Silmarillion far predate LOTR. After LOTR, he tried again to rework The Silmarillion into something that he could publish, but he could never get everything to work to his satisfaction.
Could parts of The Silmarillion work as a movie? Sure. But the First Age as a whole is depressing.
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Are you telling me that seeing a finale of Fingolfin riding alone to the gates of Angband and challenging Morgoth would not be one of the most heoric things you've ever seen in the screen?
How did that turn out for Fingolfin? Thanks for making my point. Depressing.
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Are you telling me that a story about Feanor and the Flight of the Noldor would not be compelling?
That would not be a movie that would make money. Feanor is a very sick twisted character. Again, that's a depressing story.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:22 pm to GOP_Tiger
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This is not true. Tolkien's early drafts of parts of The Silmarillion far predate LOTR. After LOTR, he tried again to rework The Silmarillion into something that he could publish, but he could never get everything to work to his satisfaction.
He wrote a draft and his publisher was like “not this. How bout a sequel to the hobbit?”
And we got the LOTR trilogy.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:23 pm to fdanon
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go get married and have kids
A couple buddies of mine just got divorced and had multiple kids. Now he had to sell his house and and move in something smaller due to his ole lady taking half of everything. The grass is not always greener brother in Christ.
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:23 pm to fdanon
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fricking enough dude. Anyone who glances as this board has read your rants about this for months on multiple threads and now you are repeating yourself again. It’s just getting ridiculous. Everyone fricking gets your point. I mostly agree with you but sheesh go get married and have kids. You might find meaning in your life besides defending the millionaire Tolkien estate. Move on.
While I have yet to watch anything beyond the Prologue (nor will I save for scattered clips over the internet), it's even worse than I thought it would be. A paper boat was the first scene in this? The Hobbit knew better than that: Opening
Posted on 9/1/22 at 11:26 pm to CP3LSU25
This is your response? Okay incel.
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