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re: The Last Jedi - The De-Feminized Cut
Posted on 6/7/18 at 1:47 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 6/7/18 at 1:47 am to TeddyPadillac
Kelly Tran deleted social media due to bullying. I'm afraid Disney is only going to increase her role so that the "bullies don't think they won".
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 2:10 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Let me get this straight, you believe a ship with mass traveling at light speed is not a weapon? I do understand that it could have been used in the manner you are speaking but it wasn't. Are we to expect that it couldn't happen given the technology already available and just needed somebody to think about it? Maybe it was more "efficient" to create a weapon instead of using huge ships as weapons.
Here's how I see this technically:
Hyperspace travel is "faster than light". When you go FTL, you enter a pocket of spacetime that is outside normal space. In order to reach hyperspace, though, you have to reach a certain speed. It can be assumed that a ship that is close enough to another ship can cause the destructive effect you saw in the movie by accelerating to a point close to but not quite at lightspeed, the speed you require to enter the hyperspace window.
That's why Han said what he said about "coming out of hyperspace too early and finding yourself in the middle of a sun". It's also why the hyperspace trick worked through the shield at Starkiller Base in Episode 7.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 9:27 am to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:Ugh, that is just yet another reason TLJ doesn't fit; the First Order's Ultimate Weapon, Starkiller Base, specifically doesn't have shielding that could defend against it in TFA. If Han can jump out in time to beat the defenses, then BB-8 can be programmed to. You wouldn't even have to hit the key week area, you could hit the "muzzle" section and mess that up. Or hit populated areas (and thus the controls).
Here's how I see this technically:
Hyperspace travel is "faster than light". When you go FTL, you enter a pocket of spacetime that is outside normal space. In order to reach hyperspace, though, you have to reach a certain speed. It can be assumed that a ship that is close enough to another ship can cause the destructive effect you saw in the movie by accelerating to a point close to but not quite at lightspeed, the speed you require to enter the hyperspace window.
That's why Han said what he said about "coming out of hyperspace too early and finding yourself in the middle of a sun". It's also why the hyperspace trick worked through the shield at Starkiller Base in Episode 7.
Surely the "lives" of a couple droids in return for a planet full of people is a fair exchange?
Yet another reason why I hate TLJ.
Posted on 6/7/18 at 2:32 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Let me get this straight, you believe a ship with mass traveling at light speed
They are clearly going faster than light speed(as in the speed of light). Even light speed wouldn’t come close to letting you just zip around a galaxy. If a ship was able to accelerate that fast, everyone on board would die instantly. The science has always been iffy...its one of those things were we just turn your brain off and your imagination on. To me it was implied the ships were creating/using some kind of space/time portal to travel these distances.
Our intelligence was insulted bigly by that scene. It literally ruined the space war concept. Now lets just have a droid send one single x-wing through light speed directly at a giant ship....oh no they are aiming tie fighters at our ships...boom everyone dead movie over
Posted on 6/7/18 at 3:44 pm to OMLandshark
I forgive TLJ for a lot. My only hangup was the plasma mortars and the goddamned hyperdrive missile.
How hyperspace had worked for decades was if a smaller mass in hyperspace met a greater mass that was not in hyperspace. The mass in hyperspace obliterated itself and the mass in real space said ouch that stung.
So Vader charging in at the end of Rogue One and plowing through ships works. Solid strategy rebels don't have anything that can stand up to his personal star destroyers shields and hull ramming at the time. It's also real space, he's just such a baller he said exactly when to exit.
TLJ is all hold my beer let me show you how to kill planets.
How hyperspace had worked for decades was if a smaller mass in hyperspace met a greater mass that was not in hyperspace. The mass in hyperspace obliterated itself and the mass in real space said ouch that stung.
So Vader charging in at the end of Rogue One and plowing through ships works. Solid strategy rebels don't have anything that can stand up to his personal star destroyers shields and hull ramming at the time. It's also real space, he's just such a baller he said exactly when to exit.
TLJ is all hold my beer let me show you how to kill planets.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 2:11 pm to JabarkusRussell
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Kelly Tran deleted social media due to bullying.
Those people need help.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 2:30 pm to Jack Ruby
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Rey, yes, they forced the gender for no reason, but she is actually a really solid, likeable, charismatic character
In what way was the gender forced? Marketing may have made a big deal out of the character being female, but the movies themselves don't really make a big deal out of Rey's gender that I can recall.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 2:38 pm to ZappBrannigan
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How hyperspace had worked for decades was if a smaller mass in hyperspace met a greater mass that was not in hyperspace. The mass in hyperspace obliterated itself and the mass in real space said ouch that stung.
What?
Posted on 6/8/18 at 2:49 pm to Wayne Campbell
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In what way was the gender forced? Marketing may have made a big deal out of the character being female, but the movies themselves don't really make a big deal out of Rey's gender that I can recall.
Precisely. The movie did nothing wrong with the handling of Rey. It's the segment of idiots who use her to show how awesome women as a collective are. Just like the segment of idiots who use Wakanda as some sort of realistic black paradise.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 3:14 pm to JabarkusRussell
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Kelly Tran deleted social media due to bullying. I'm afraid Disney is only going to increase her role so that the "bullies don't think they won".
People are fricking idiot. It’s not her fault the writers wrote a bad character. She performed quite well.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 5:58 pm to WeBleedCrimson
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It’s not her fault the writers wrote a bad character. She performed quite well.
I thought the character was meh and I thought the story line for her was a massive waste of time but she did a good job with what she had to work with. So far as I know the Mythbusters are the the only people out there who have managed to polish a turd... I don't blame her for not pulling off that feat.
I think Tran is the unfortunate collateral damage of the movie for a couple of reasons.
1. She's brand new. Folks were probably far more POed about Admiral Holdo's story arc but its Laura Dern playing her. She's built up a reservoir of good will over her long career. Tran has a few College Humor appearances and minor TV roles.
2. She was so excited at the movie premiere she broke down into tears. "How dare someone be happy about this horrible movie!!?!?!?" Well she'd spent years doing bit parts and this was her big break. I don't blame her for being so thrilled and happy she cried.
3. Lets face it, some internet trolls are pieces of shite. I'm not saying that everyone who disliked TLJ is a POS, I mean I hated the movie too. Hell, the majority of people who hated the movie are perfectly nice people. But for your real hard core troll this is a chance to say a lot of horrible things about some lady they've never met and claim they were expressing their opinion about a movie.
In a lot of ways I blame Rian Johnson for the heat the poor girl has caught. He wrote a poor part, he directed a poor movie, and then he called everyone who disagreed with him a racist, sexist, pig. He helped to fan the flames of discontent and Tran is the one who's wound up getting burned from this.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:18 pm to Scruffy
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The biggest issue that now arises from this is that any time intelligent, thinking beings are sent in small ships to destroy a bigger ship, resulting in the deaths of many, the question afterwards will be “why didn’t they just hit it with a ship going light speed?”.
Like at the beginning of Last Jedi when they lost all the resistance bombers to make Poe look like a moron?
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:47 pm to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
The editor is a fricking moron, but:
Amazing.
Exactly how is this racist? She could've been Helen Miran or Kathy Bates, the whitest people ever, and her character would've been God awful. I hate people who use racism as a catch all for this kind of nonsense.
Tran played her part well. She wasn't a bad actress. She was in a horrendous movie with a horrendous script and her character was one of the worst pieces of the godawful movie.
Well the gravity made no sense at all, but I don't ever remember a single person having an issue with the Asian chick at the beginning.
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erases the entire role of resistance admiral Amilyn Holdo, played by Laura Dern, and kills off Princess Leia, played by Carrie Fisher, early in the film.
Amazing.
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also racist, severely curtailing the role of the character who the editor calls "Asian chick,"
Exactly how is this racist? She could've been Helen Miran or Kathy Bates, the whitest people ever, and her character would've been God awful. I hate people who use racism as a catch all for this kind of nonsense.
Tran played her part well. She wasn't a bad actress. She was in a horrendous movie with a horrendous script and her character was one of the worst pieces of the godawful movie.
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no bomber heroism by china girl in the beginning
Well the gravity made no sense at all, but I don't ever remember a single person having an issue with the Asian chick at the beginning.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:51 pm to Breesus
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most shots showing female fighters/pilots and female officers commanding people around/having ideas."
This is just stupid. Leia on Hoth commanding the troops and briefing the pilots in Empire is an amazing scene. And all Star Wars fans loved Leia. She was a strong and powerful female character. No one had a problem with that.
In fact, one of my biggest problems with Last Jedi is how they made Leia basically retarded and a terrible leader. What the frick has she been doing? How did she let the first order come about? And why was she such a terrible leader and strategist when she was shown to be a very competent person in the OT?
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 6:55 pm to LuckyTiger
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Holy crap Rian Johnson really was terrible
He is absolutely the worst person in Hollywood.
I'd rank them:
Eveyone else
Harvey Weinstein
Rian Johnson
Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:25 pm to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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It's also racist, severely curtailing the role of the character who the editor calls "Asian chick," presumably Kelly Marie Tran, who plays Rose Tico in the movie.
everything is racist. Posted on 6/8/18 at 8:50 pm to Scruffy
They have the ships which make it so you cant jump to hyperspace in the Clone Wars cartoon. Also, at the end of Rogue One, Vader's ship comes out of hyperspace and a bunch of smaller ships bust on its shield.
So it really wouldn't be that hard to work around, use the technology presented in Clone Wars, say there has to be a certain level of mass so it can't be a small ship, use a couple other lines of dialogue to make it not be a realistic and efficient way to fight in the movies.
I'm actually with the other poster who thinks it kind of makes sense from a "common sense" aspect of what could be possible in the star wars universe.
So it really wouldn't be that hard to work around, use the technology presented in Clone Wars, say there has to be a certain level of mass so it can't be a small ship, use a couple other lines of dialogue to make it not be a realistic and efficient way to fight in the movies.
I'm actually with the other poster who thinks it kind of makes sense from a "common sense" aspect of what could be possible in the star wars universe.
This post was edited on 6/8/18 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:35 pm to Sneaky__Sally
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It's also racist, severely curtailing the role of the character who the editor calls "Asian chick," presumably Kelly Marie Tran, who plays Rose Tico in the movie
The character of Rose was dumb. It did not fit and them creating something for her and Fin to do added 30 ridiculously pointless minutes to the movie. Then the laughable Love will save us moment where she ruins what should have been Fins defining moment was like something out of the naked gun.
Don’t blame racism. Blame a horrendous script.
Posted on 6/8/18 at 9:39 pm to Purple Spoon
Yeah but let’s blame racism anyway
Posted on 6/9/18 at 12:27 am to Arksulli
What are some of the twitter posts that were so bad besides calling her Ching Chong?
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