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re: The Knight of The Laughing Tree - Massive Song of Ice and Fire Spoilers!!!!!
Posted on 6/19/12 at 3:06 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 6/19/12 at 3:06 pm to BluegrassBelle
Seeing this thread revived just makes it so depressing that we won't find anything new out for so many years. I am about 2 chapters away from finishing ASOS for the second time. My plan is to follow AFFC and ADWD according to an order recently posted on Tower of the Hand that follows a more chronological order than the actual books one after the other. Has anyone tried it yet?
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Posted on 6/19/12 at 3:13 pm to Slinger16
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Does he warg into Ghost to keep his spirit alive then Melissandre performs some ritual to pull Jon out of Ghost and into his new form?
Bingo.
I believe the R + L = JS theory as well as the Lyanna is KotLT theory. The post about Rhaegar and tPtwP is spot on.
This post was edited on 6/19/12 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 6/19/12 at 3:20 pm to polizei11
I think about how central Jon is to the entire story... and then I think about the Brienne/Jaime story and I can't help but think "what the hell does any of that matter?"
Posted on 6/19/12 at 4:27 pm to Slinger16
I think Jamie may be used to gain access to the Freys.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 4:29 pm to DestrehanTiger
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Seeing this thread revived just makes it so depressing that we won't find anything new out for so many years. I am about 2 chapters away from finishing ASOS for the second time. My plan is to follow AFFC and ADWD according to an order recently posted on Tower of the Hand that follows a more chronological order than the actual books one after the other. Has anyone tried it yet?
I'm so ready for Winds of Winter
Posted on 6/19/12 at 5:57 pm to Slinger16
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Does he warg into Ghost to keep his spirit alive then Melissandre performs some ritual to pull Jon out of Ghost and into his new form?
Yeah. Something like that. If not that exactly.
Basically, if Ghost is alive, then Jon lives.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 6:01 pm to DestrehanTiger
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My plan is to follow AFFC and ADWD according to an order recently posted on Tower of the Hand that follows a more chronological order than the actual books one after the other.
That sounds like a good idea for my next re-read.
Do you have a link?
Posted on 6/19/12 at 6:25 pm to jrodLSUke
I'll admit I missed the "bleeding star" ref at the wall betrayal in Jon's last chapter. There's no way Martin could waste that set up letting JOn die...warging sounds like a way it gets done for sure.
The re-read project On Westeros must be the chrono order y'all are talking about. Westeros.org.
The re-read project On Westeros must be the chrono order y'all are talking about. Westeros.org.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 6:36 pm to 19
While the bleeding star is likely meant to be part of the prophesy, I remember reading that he lost a bet with a friend that was a cowboys fan and had to put him as one of the characters and give him a quick gruesome death. So, I still believe it is a sign of Jon being AA, but I'm not as sure as I once was.
Here is the link btw
LINK
Here is the link btw
LINK
This post was edited on 6/19/12 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:12 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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General Discussion of the importance of Howland Reed is also welcome here.
HR will be an interesting character to meet, once our story makes it way to Greywater Watch.
He will know the identity of tKofLT.
He will know the story of Lyanna's "kidnapping" at the hands of Ryaegar.
And may even bring several story lines together for the Prince that was Promised.
I look forward to meeting Howland Reed.
Posted on 6/19/12 at 8:16 pm to jrodLSUke
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jrodLSUke
go check the help board
/highjack
Posted on 6/19/12 at 9:20 pm to RonFNSwanson
oh boy, oh boy, oh boy
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:19 pm to jrodLSUke
There is a theory that Greywater Watch moves back and forth through time, and/or Howland ages backward ala Merlin. If true then Jojen=Howland. Dunno if I buy it, but makes sense if he influenced sequence of events at Tower of Joy and The Harrenhall Tourney.
Bummer about the Cowboys bet. Hope that's just BS - cuz at this time I give up on Jon being a legit Targ and heir to the IT (too cliche for Martin) but I believe he's tPtwP. I think AA and tPtwP are two different people (no, not Stannis)
Bummer about the Cowboys bet. Hope that's just BS - cuz at this time I give up on Jon being a legit Targ and heir to the IT (too cliche for Martin) but I believe he's tPtwP. I think AA and tPtwP are two different people (no, not Stannis)
Posted on 6/19/12 at 10:24 pm to 19
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Jojen=Howland
That would make my head explode.
Didn't Jojen say that he wouldn't make it out of the North alive and he is basically dying in the cave?
Posted on 6/20/12 at 8:19 am to Slinger16
Right on. Jj always has this sense of doom about him, which lends credence to this cracked of all crackpot theories... Like a life's quest ends with getting the next greenseer to Blood raven. (I assume we've all read The Hedge Knight /Dunk and Egg- I liked Brienne finding Dunk's shield. I'm sure he's got lineage in Tarth now)
But fear not...remember, Barriston Selmy was a white cloak throughout the rebellion, had access to Arthur Dayne, Oswald Whent and Gerold Hightower...even Rhaegar. Hell, Jaime may know R+L=J. Howland may not be the only secret holder we think he is
But fear not...remember, Barriston Selmy was a white cloak throughout the rebellion, had access to Arthur Dayne, Oswald Whent and Gerold Hightower...even Rhaegar. Hell, Jaime may know R+L=J. Howland may not be the only secret holder we think he is
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:10 am to Siderophore
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While it may be true, like I said before....being a great horse rider with reg clothes doesn't just default to being a great horse rider wearing armor and holding a 20+ foot lance at one side, offbalancing you.
Just gonna throw this out there...
I watched Full Metal Jousting and size definitely did not guarantee a good jouster. The smallest guy surprised everyone by being one of the best jousters. He was an excellent rider and his horse had a lot to do w/ it as well b/c the horse added some weight and "umph" to his hits. He was also the only one to ride the hottest horse that no one else could handle. He got along well w/ the horse and had good performances from him.....so I can see Lyanna being the KofLT b/c of this....and the way Jojen kept asking Bran if he heard the story before.
Also, after re-reading GoT over...almost done w/ it and about start on CoK again...there is no doubt in my mind that Lyanna is the mother of Jon Snow....Promise me, Ned.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:27 am to 19
Where can I find the additional stories? Online or hard copy, either would be fine.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:28 am to 19
Barristan said in one of his chapters that Rhaegar did not trust him with secrets. Jamie would have mentioned that by now
Posted on 6/20/12 at 10:48 am to 19
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I give up on Jon being a legit Targ and heir to the IT (too cliche for Martin) but I believe he's tPtwP. I think AA and tPtwP are two different people (no, not Stannis)
Really good point.
Martin does set up many "obvious" story lines, just so he can go in a completely different direction.
So, if Lyanna and Howland are obvious choices for tKotLT, then it may be someone else.
My nominees would be one of the She Wolf's brothers: the Wild Wolf (Brandon), Quiet Wolf (Ned), and the Pup (Benjen).
Since tKotLT was small in stature, my prediction is that Benjen Stark will be revealed as Knight of the Laughing Tree. The sigil on the shield does suggest a Stark. And the Pup is mentioned several times during the story.
Posted on 6/20/12 at 12:29 pm to jrodLSUke
I don't think it's as obvious as it seems...for example, pre- ADWD I fell into the trap about the Three-Eyed Crow being Bloodraven was too obvious...Well, while not impossible...I would be disappointed if it turned out to be Ben. Talk about much ado about nothing. That would really make me wanna kick Martin's bearded-funny-hat-wearing arse.
With just the evidence in this thread alone, I would be surprised if it was anyone but Lyanna.
The other stories, I guess you're referring to the Dunk and Egg tales include the graphic novels/ novellas The Hedge Knight, The Mystery Knight, and The Sworn Sword. They are pre-quels if you will to ASOIaF.
here's a link for info:
LINK
ETA: just to show how far behind the events are in the D&E tales to AGoT, here's a quote from "The Mystery Knight"
With just the evidence in this thread alone, I would be surprised if it was anyone but Lyanna.
The other stories, I guess you're referring to the Dunk and Egg tales include the graphic novels/ novellas The Hedge Knight, The Mystery Knight, and The Sworn Sword. They are pre-quels if you will to ASOIaF.
here's a link for info:
LINK
ETA: just to show how far behind the events are in the D&E tales to AGoT, here's a quote from "The Mystery Knight"
quote:
The wedding is set at Whitewalls and Lord Frey arrives with his four-year-old heir, Walder Frey...
This post was edited on 6/20/12 at 12:35 pm
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