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re: The Godfather Epic
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:52 am to Walking the Earth
Posted on 9/12/16 at 11:52 am to Walking the Earth
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The thing I always wondered is who killed the shooters? The only person it could have been was Fredo, so that makes him kind of a badass.
Fredo never showed that he could pull off a hit, especially a hit on hit men. Ola could've had instructions for one of the hit men to kill the others, or, as Michael said, someone inside the compound was in on it. I'd think that Fredo would've had a couple of guys under him, and he may have had one of them loyal enough to him and Ola to take out the hit men. My best guess is that Ola had someone else on the inside besides Fredo. You don't want Fredo that close to something as big as a hit on Michael Corleone.
This post was edited on 9/12/16 at 11:54 am
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Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:05 pm to Breesus
Pay attention- the details are in the story.
And it is Havana, not Miami.
And it is Havana, not Miami.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:12 pm to Godfather1
Yes, tying up the Fabrizzio thread helps. It was glaringly absent from the book to film translation.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:18 pm to Minnesota Tiger
The Fabrizzio thing is nice. Some of the other additions are pointless. Coppola showing his father as a boy and learning to be a musician was a bit much.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:39 pm to Backinthe615
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Fat Clemenza was going to play Frank's role
The guy who played Pentangeli was great but the movie would've been a lot better off with Clemenza, IMO.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:45 pm to NIH
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Fat Clemenza was going to play Frank's role
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The guy who played Pentangeli was great but the movie would've been a lot better off with Clemenza, IMO.
Castellano had recently been nominated for an Oscar and had one Summer TV series under his belt. So he thought he had a strong position to negotiate from. Some say he wanted more money or script approval. His wife says he refused to turn Clemenza into a traitor.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 12:54 pm to Fewer Kilometers
Was Clemenza a traitor in the book? If so, I feel like that's not his decision.
Plus, Tessio was always smarter.
Plus, Tessio was always smarter.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 1:04 pm to CaptainsWafer
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Was Clemenza a traitor in the book? If so, I feel like that's not his decision.
no, most of the stuff in GFII was not in the book
Posted on 9/12/16 at 3:08 pm to CaptainsWafer
A question, having seen this scene probably 100 times:
When they take Tessio to the car, you hear three or four pop/noises off camera. Are those the car doors closing? Or gun shots?
One would think that they would wait and do it somewhere more neatly, rather than have to drive off with Tessio parts all over the car and themselves; however, they wasted no time in disposing of Carlo right there in the driveway.
Thoughts?
When they take Tessio to the car, you hear three or four pop/noises off camera. Are those the car doors closing? Or gun shots?
One would think that they would wait and do it somewhere more neatly, rather than have to drive off with Tessio parts all over the car and themselves; however, they wasted no time in disposing of Carlo right there in the driveway.
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 9/12/16 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 9/12/16 at 9:08 pm to MaroonWhite
quote:thisquote:To me, this is the biggest plot hole. It makes absolutely no sense.
and the "Michael Corleone says hello" line.
Allegedly, the line was ad-libbed by a then unknown Danny Aiello so he would have a speaking part (a tactic sometimes used by very aggressive extras). Usually these lines are simply cut, but for some reason Coppola was amused by this one and left it in, despite it wrecking the logic of the scene.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 9:11 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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The thing I always wondered is who killed the shooters? The only person it could have been was Fredo, so that makes him kind of a badass. Fredo never showed that he could pull off a hit, especially a hit on hit men. Ola could've had instructions for one of the hit men to kill the others, or, as Michael said, someone inside the compound was in on it. I'd think that Fredo would've had a couple of guys under him, and he may have had one of them loyal enough to him and Ola to take out the hit men. My best guess is that Ola had someone else on the inside besides Fredo. You don't want Fredo that close to something as big as a hit on Michael Corleone.
See... We're spitballing here.. Which was my original point.. It's never explained how Fredo betrayed Michael. It really doesn't make sense that he was in on the hit, because A) he's a buffoon and B) he convincingly says he didn't know it was gonna be a hit
Posted on 9/12/16 at 9:44 pm to dpd901
I noticed my comment on the first page has 5 downvotes, but no one has offered any explanation of how Fredo betrayed Michael because no one knows. It's a weird hole.
Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:07 pm to PowerTool
fredo didn't know it was gonna be a hit, but he did help roth's guys get hired somehow ... guess so they could get information on how to get michael to go along with the havanna deal ...
Posted on 9/12/16 at 10:20 pm to PowerTool
quote:If Vito disapproves of Sonny giving his opinion to outsiders, and Michael himself warns Fredo not to side with anyone against the family -- evah -- then Michael is not going to think highly of Fredo communicating with Ola and Roth behind his back, and giving them info, even if it's inadvertant.
no one has offered any explanation of how Fredo betrayed Michael because no one knows.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 12:14 am to dpd901
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B) he convincingly says he didn't know it was gonna be a hit
I dunno. How convincing would any scion of a Mafia family's actual family's claim of ignorance be in this situation? He'd have to know how the Mafia works and the way hits are carried out. Maybe he convinced himself there were other possible motives, but I can't see how him not knowing when a hit is going down working within the context of a story where his brother died and his father almost died from that sort of thing. These are paranoid career criminals not far off a notorious era of Mafia warfare. The Five Families/Syndicate system was actually created because of the prevalence of this sort of thing. I'm just not sure if we as an audience are supposed to believe Fredo in this context.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 9:29 am to Fewer Kilometers
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The Fabrizzio thing is nice. Some of the other additions are pointless. Coppola showing his father as a boy and learning to be a musician was a bit much.
there was one scene from the DeNiro parts where Vito sees Don Fanuci show some weakness, (he's scared or intimidated by something i forget exactly its been a while) that makes Vito realize he can take him. I think it may have been unnecessary.
Posted on 9/13/16 at 9:38 am to H-Town Tiger
The Hyman Roth character is never completed?
Unless it's mentioned in godfather 3.
I can only sit through bits and pieces of 3.
When they start whacking priests? I think Vatican Guards would have fricked up some gangsters?
But back to Roth? His story arc does not end. Or did I miss it?
Unless it's mentioned in godfather 3.
I can only sit through bits and pieces of 3.
When they start whacking priests? I think Vatican Guards would have fricked up some gangsters?
But back to Roth? His story arc does not end. Or did I miss it?
Posted on 9/13/16 at 9:42 am to LSU alum wannabe
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When they start whacking priests? I think Vatican Guards would have fricked up some gangsters?
i think Al Neri whacks one at Vatican maybe?
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But back to Roth? His story arc does not end. Or did I miss it?
Rocco shoots him at the airport
Posted on 9/13/16 at 9:54 am to H-Town Tiger
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Rocco shoots him at the airport
It's said but not shown?
I remember it being the plan, but I thought he got away?
Posted on 9/13/16 at 10:01 am to LSU alum wannabe
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It's said but not shown?
No, Roth is being arrested at the Airport and questioned by reporters. Rocco goes up and and shoots him, then gets shot himself by the feds.
id post a video clip but youtube is blocked at work
This post was edited on 9/13/16 at 11:49 am
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