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re: The Force Awakens trailer confirmed; Official ingame thread
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:11 pm to CoachDon
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:11 pm to CoachDon
NVM looked it up.
So for Sidious it went Maul, Dooku, Anakin?
Darth, the way you described it, the apprentice always ideally kills his master or tries to, but in this case he knew Anakin would be more powerful so he had him kill Dooku?
Just seems like that logic ventures away from the theory of 2s. I guess that is similar to the desire for Luke to kill Darth? Makes no difference who is who, as long as the 2 most powerful Sith's at present are alive correct?
So for Sidious it went Maul, Dooku, Anakin?
Darth, the way you described it, the apprentice always ideally kills his master or tries to, but in this case he knew Anakin would be more powerful so he had him kill Dooku?
Just seems like that logic ventures away from the theory of 2s. I guess that is similar to the desire for Luke to kill Darth? Makes no difference who is who, as long as the 2 most powerful Sith's at present are alive correct?
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:11 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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I don't think that's Kylo Ren standing there. It looks more to me like this character...
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:15 pm to STLhog
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So was Dooku Palpatine's original apprentice?
not really. Before Dooku, there was Maul.
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Where does Darth Maul fall into this?
Maul was Sidious' first apprentice. But here's the catch. At that time Sidious was still himself an apprentice to Darth Plaguis. This appears to be a breach of the Sith's "Rule of Two". However, in fact it wasn't. Plaguis allowed Sidious to have Maul, although he did not know about Maul until after Maul was given to Sidious as a baby. The plan was for Maul to be trained thinking he was to become a Sith Lord but in reality all he was ever going to be was a "Sith adept", basically a very skilled assassin. Sidious never intended for Maul to ever become a Sith Lord.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:16 pm to Darth_Vader
When 20 year olds Rey and Finn become great Jedi like young Luke, it will once again prove wrong the "too old to start the training" bs that they said about 8 year old Anakin.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:22 pm to STLhog
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Darth, the way you described it, the apprentice always ideally kills his master or tries to, but in this case he knew Anakin would be more powerful so he had him kill Dooku?
Yes, the way a new Sith Lord rises is that he (or she) kills their master and becomes the Dark Lord of the Sith. The goal is that an apprentice can only kill their Master when they are stronger than they are. If the apprentice fails and dies at the hand of their master, then that only proves they were not worthy of being a Sith Lord anyway.
As for Dooku, (AKA Darth Tyranus) he was always a stop-gap measure for Sidious. As soon as Sidious became aware of Anakin he knew that this was the apprentice he was looking for. But in the meantime Sidious needed someone like Dooku to be be the public "bad guy" in the coming Clone Wars that he and his master Plagius had been working so hard to start for decades. And just as Sidious starting working Anakin years before he eventually turned to the Dark Side, likewise Sidious had been working Dooku for years as well.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:23 pm to Darth_Vader
Good stuff. I fixed it once I looked it up about Maul but it had nothing in there about him being an assassin.
The Sith storyline is so damn badass. God they really F-ed it up in the movies.
Also very weird the original trilogy doesn't mention the Sith's at all if I'm not mistaken. At least I don't recall hearing it, even once for that matter and I watched them last weekend.
The Sith storyline is so damn badass. God they really F-ed it up in the movies.
Also very weird the original trilogy doesn't mention the Sith's at all if I'm not mistaken. At least I don't recall hearing it, even once for that matter and I watched them last weekend.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:24 pm to STLhog
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The Sith storyline is so damn badass. God they really F-ed it up in the movies.
It's the most fascinating aspect of the whole Star Wars story in my opinion.
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Good stuff. I fixed it once I looked it up about Maul but it had nothing in there about him being an assassin.
Not sure which of the books it's in, been a while since i read them, maybe it's in Darth Plagueis. but anyway, in one of the books they talk about how Maul is being fooled and used. He was never going to be what he thought he'd be. Instead he was just going to be a tool for the Sith to be used and discarded once they were done with him. He thought he's been given full Sith training from Sidious. But the truth of his training is that Sidious only taught him how to fight and use the Dark Side to fight. As for the true nature and power of the Dark Side, poor Maul was clueless.
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:26 pm to boXerrumble
I'm pumped, but JJ just couldn't help the lens flares right? 
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:28 pm to STLhog
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Also very weird the original trilogy doesn't mention the Sith's at all if I'm not mistaken.
(Sith) Lord Vader at the very least.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:38 pm to musick
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(Sith) Lord Vader at the very least.
I'm trying to remember the first mention of Sith in the original movies but to be honest, I'm drawing a blank. I remember the term Dark Lord of the Sith from when I was a kid but I'm thinking that originated in one of the books maybe.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:39 pm to Darth_Vader
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Yes, the way a new Sith Lord rises is that he (or she) kills their master and becomes the Dark Lord of the Sith. The goal is that an apprentice can only kill their Master when they are stronger than they are. If the apprentice fails and dies at the hand of their master, then that only proves they were not worthy of being a Sith Lord anyway.
This was Darth Bane's plan and reasoning for the rule of two. The point was that each time an apprentice killed his master, the new master was stronger than the old. So for 1000 years the newest, current Sith Lord was getting stronger and stronger, until eventually one would be strong enough to overcome the Jedi establish control over the galaxy. That one was Sidius.
The rule of two stood and worked in the long run. Darth Plageuis ended the rule of two, treating Sidius as an equal, sharing all of his knowledge with him as well as allowing him to take follower, or agents so to way. In the end, Plageuis was satisfied to be entirely in the background allowing Sidius to be the one displaying power while he would recluse and focus on his studies of the force. All of this would come back to stab Plageuis as on the eve of Sidius being elected grand pubah emperor of the new galactic empire, he killed Plageuis to become the one and only sith lord, knowing he would be able to have Anakin as his new apprentice.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:45 pm to TigerFanatic99
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:46 pm to Darth_Vader
It's all over the scripts but I'm not sure if it's actually spoken in any dialog now that you mention it.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:49 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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‘Star Wars: The Force Awakens’ Tickets Already Being Sold on eBay For $10,000
That's just dumb, when you can still get them on fandango for like $4.85.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:51 pm to TigerFanatic99
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The rule of two stood and worked in the long run. Darth Plageuis ended the rule of two, treating Sidius as an equal, sharing all of his knowledge with him as well as allowing him to take follower, or agents so to way. In the end, Plageuis was satisfied to be entirely in the background allowing Sidius to be the one displaying power while he would recluse and focus on his studies of the force. All of this would come back to stab Plageuis as on the eve of Sidius being elected grand pubah emperor of the new galactic empire, he killed Plageuis to become the one and only sith lord, knowing he would be able to have Anakin as his new apprentice.
All true except one thing. Sidious killed Plagius on the night he was elected Chancellor of the Republic. He would not be declared emperor of the new "Galatic Empire" for another decade or so.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:51 pm to jdd48
I personally don't care about seeing it when it opens.
Can't stand the crowds.
Just going to be a bitch cutting off internet and shite for a couple days.
Can't stand the crowds.
Just going to be a bitch cutting off internet and shite for a couple days.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:54 pm to Darth_Vader
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All true except one thing. Sidious killed Plagius on the night he was elected Chancellor of the Republic.
Good catch, that's correct. Mind is on a bit of a bender right now.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:55 pm to boXerrumble
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 1:59 pm to Darth_Vader
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I'm trying to remember the first mention of Sith in the original movies but to be honest, I'm drawing a blank. I remember the term Dark Lord of the Sith from when I was a kid but I'm thinking that originated in one of the books maybe.
Phantom Menace in movie - Dark Lord of the Sith (Vader)
Star-Lord, published by Marvel Comics in 1973 featured a villain named Rruothk'ar, who was described as a "Sith-Lord".
Posted on 10/20/15 at 2:00 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Does anyone know who the guy is at around a minute of the trailer? He's yelling at who looks like Kylo Ren.
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