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re: The challenge: Spies, lies, allies
Posted on 12/23/21 at 1:20 pm to TotesMcGotes
Posted on 12/23/21 at 1:20 pm to TotesMcGotes
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It’s not three hours. It was two hours (reunion 1 and 2 aired back-to-back instead of one this week one next week) followed by the first episode of the new season of All Stars.
Gotcha. All I saw was my DVR said 184 minutes IIRC.
I watched the first episode of the new season of All Stars. I enjoy that show. It has a much more old school challenge feel to it.
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Posted on 12/23/21 at 1:30 pm to CocomoLSU
Even TJ tells them that they all suck after the first challenge.
I guess I’m just not a fan of watching old, out of shape people do these things.
I guess I’m just not a fan of watching old, out of shape people do these things.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 1:39 pm to Jack Ruby
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I will say, though, I always considered John the best player in the history of the show (with Landon being 1a, but he just didn't have the extended track record), but I think it's pretty clear now that CT is the undisputed greatest of all time.
I’m so happy CT has all these wins now so we can stop with this nonsense that Johnny is the best. He never was.
It would be like if Michael Jordan won his first couple titles coming off the bench, then won one or two where the league fixed games for him to win, then won a couple with prime Shaq as his teammate.
Johnny was never great at politics, never really had to politic cause of his relationship with Kenny and Evan, which then just carried over in his benefit after they left.
Wes got the better of him politically like 3 or 4 different times. Johnny almost never had to do shite politically.
Johnny’s only real strength is his stamina, which is why he is tough to beat in a final. He was never some great athlete or strategic player.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 1:42 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Johnny was never great at politics
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He was never some great athlete or strategic player.
Disagree with both of those. John is VERY good politically. Maybe not the best, but he was always a good bullshitter and got others to do his bidding. And you don't make that many finals (or win them) without being good strategically at the challenges. I can't stand him, but to say he isn't good strategically or politically is just not true.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 1:56 pm to landrywasbeast30
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Johnny was never great at politics
quote:So how does he have more wins than anyone else?
He was never some great athlete or strategic player.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 2:20 pm to CocomoLSU
Yeah, Johnny was the master at getting people to trust him than stabbing them in the back. And you can attribute some of his 7 wins to being on 20 times but that's still not a bad winning percentage.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 2:28 pm to landrywasbeast30
CT is my favorite Challenge personality, but to suggest he’s the best of all time is silly.
He basically did the backstroke to win Rivals II with Wes, won a final against Nelson and Corey (that I don’t remember) in Invasion of the Champions, won War of the Worlds 2 when Paulie died, won Double Agents when Fessy and Kaycee quit, and won this year where he basically showed up and they handed him the trophy.
His most impressive seasons have been seasons where he didn’t win, like Rivals I.
He basically did the backstroke to win Rivals II with Wes, won a final against Nelson and Corey (that I don’t remember) in Invasion of the Champions, won War of the Worlds 2 when Paulie died, won Double Agents when Fessy and Kaycee quit, and won this year where he basically showed up and they handed him the trophy.
His most impressive seasons have been seasons where he didn’t win, like Rivals I.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 2:35 pm to shel311
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So how does he have more wins than anyone else?
The Island and The Ruins were joke seasons. He got punked by Ev on The Island, and was like the 5th best guy in his alliance on The Ruins, if you count Darrell. Evan and Kenny were the politicians/strategists for that alliance.
Rivals, Wes got the better of him politically at the end, Adam took a dive in an elimination, then Kenny and Wes had an easy win til production fricked with the final.
Battle of the Exes he had Camilla. Rivals 3 he had Sarah. Easily two of the better female competitors. And I’m pretty sure Mark let Johnny win their elimination. I said it the night I watched it, and think it has been confirmed by people.
Free Agents he was targeted, but his eliminations were pathetic Isaac, then Jordan in an elimination in which the hand thing was clearly a disadvantage.
By the way, Jordan might not have the total wins yet, but I think he is a better version of what people think Johnny is.
I didn’t watch Total Madness.
When it comes to politics, he never had to work to build alliances like Wes always had to do. It’s like the JEKD thing just grandfathered him in politically for people to not target him, and he usually had some friends with him.
Just look at Rivals 1 and 2. Johnny had awesome partners. Wes and Kenny had huge lead then got fricked over in 1. Then Wes and CT smoked Johnny and Frank in 2. And Johnny was usually a whiny baby throwing tantrums if anyone did say his name for eliminations.
This isn’t a real sport. Just winning doesn’t explain everything or make you the best. By the way both Wes and Johnny have also said CT is awesome politically and subtle with it. CT is easily best ever however you look at it.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 2:41 pm to TotesMcGotes
CT is better physically and politically than Johnny, and now piled up the wins to get close enough to just say he is the best.
Don’t give me that nonsense about CT wins. Most of Johnny’s wins were flat out bullshite or he had amazing partner. That is my point about just winning doesn’t tell the whole story on this show about who is the best.
At least 4 of Johnny’s wins were either meaningless or fixed.
In a just world, we would have got to see a Duel 2 final between CT and Landon.
Don’t give me that nonsense about CT wins. Most of Johnny’s wins were flat out bullshite or he had amazing partner. That is my point about just winning doesn’t tell the whole story on this show about who is the best.
At least 4 of Johnny’s wins were either meaningless or fixed.
In a just world, we would have got to see a Duel 2 final between CT and Landon.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:23 pm to landrywasbeast30
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At least 4 of Johnny’s wins were either meaningless or fixed.
So they were fixed, but CT gets credit for his wins?
Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:44 pm to TotesMcGotes
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So they were fixed, but CT gets credit for his wins?
Um, my point is that wins on this specific show are overrated when deciding who is the best.
But, for idiots who care about how many wins someone has, CT piling up these wins justifies those fans finally saying CT has enough wins to say he is the best now.
5 out of Johnny’s 7 wins can be attributed to someone throwing eliminations, awesome partners, production assistance, and being the third or fourth guy on a dominant alliance/team. You really think The Island and The Ruins should go on his resume?
If you go purely by best combination of athleticism/social/political, CT is easily the best player. Prime Wes was better. Jordan is probably better. Evan is better. That’s not even getting into older seasons with guys like Mark Long and Theo Von.
It’s like people thinking Paula is actually good cause she has two wins, but not taking into account she was paired with arguably the two best female competitors in the history of the show. Someone like Theresa would wipe the floor with Paula in anything physical except maybe swimming.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 3:59 pm to landrywasbeast30
“Um” lol relax, man.
Not a particularly huge Bananas fan, but his most difficult wins were harder than CT’s. Plus he has more. Which ones were rigged?
Not a particularly huge Bananas fan, but his most difficult wins were harder than CT’s. Plus he has more. Which ones were rigged?
Posted on 12/23/21 at 4:27 pm to LSUBoo
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You mean Ashley... and yeah her getting such a late boot was a game changer and likely kept Emy alive in the game.
yea def
Posted on 12/23/21 at 4:27 pm to landrywasbeast30
Which one was it where Wes/Kenny had the huge lead in the final over Bananas and the gay dude but production basically took it away on the 2nd part of the final?
Posted on 12/23/21 at 4:40 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Rivals I.
But I don’t know that production made a decision in favor of Bananas to reduce it to two minutes. It’s a tv show that builds toward a finale. If they gave Wes and Kenny an hour lead, it makes for boring tv.
They’ve done it through the entire series.
But I don’t know that production made a decision in favor of Bananas to reduce it to two minutes. It’s a tv show that builds toward a finale. If they gave Wes and Kenny an hour lead, it makes for boring tv.
They’ve done it through the entire series.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 5:05 pm to TotesMcGotes
And he also used Adderall on the one where he screwed over Sarah.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 5:12 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
According to Sarah.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 5:53 pm to TotesMcGotes
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it makes for boring tv. They’ve done it through the entire series.
Proving my point that using wins to determine who is the best is dumb. And wins is the only thing that can be used to point towards Johnny being the best.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 6:28 pm to landrywasbeast30
Either it’s all a joke or none of it is. You can’t argue that CT is fantastic at xyz and then turn around and say that it’s all rigged. You’re talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Posted on 12/23/21 at 7:06 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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And he also used Adderall on the one where he screwed over Sarah.
Well... CT was on coke and steroids for much of his Challenge career... So I'd say a little adderral can be forgiven.
John is also one of, if not the best, at seeing the game from a big picture standpoint and strategizing how to make it to the final. To say he is not good politically is just denying the obvious.
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