re: The challenge: Spies, lies, allies

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Rivals 1 is iffy, because he had Adam as his partner and Tyler and John were a really, really really strong team.

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Johnny & Tyler would not have even been in the finals that season is it wasn’t for Adam

Remember that was Choo Choo CT. He was winning that year until Adam gave the elimination to Johnny & Tyler just before the final.

Johnny owes one of his 7 challenge wins to little Adam for throwing that elimination




CT had finished his rack of balls and was waiting for Adam to finish his last ball. Adam kept falling down over and over and CT went and tried to drag him up to finish, but Adam kept falling down


Here is the video of it

And anyone else disappointed that there wasnt an eating checkpoint in that final? That’s always been a finals staple

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Did Adam actually throw that challenge or did he just legitimately frick up?

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CT thinks he did. Said so in a barstool interview a few years back. Was a podcast. Adam was best friends with Johnny, Evan, Kenny

Nelson’s geometry skills set a new bar. Sit down Brad trying to spell throne, we have a new king.

Did he say something about a “long square?”

His performance on the puzzle was so epic no one is even mentioning his swimming.

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I was legit laughing at him. Listening to him verbalize his thought process was incredible

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"Why can't we just make a longer square?"


So... a rectangle?

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His performance on the puzzle was so epic no one is even mentioning his swimming.

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I feel there should have been some sort of penalty for that. Every player has to memorize a piece or suffer some timed penalty. It became an advantage by him not even having to slowly swim out there and back.

Nelson talking about triangles is an absolute Challenge gold moment, an all-timer. That dude lolololloll.

‘The Challenge’ Season 37 Final: Tori Deal Said Production ‘Had to Help’ Players Solve a Puzzle: ‘None of Us Could Figure It Out’

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The Challenge Season 37 final requires physical endurance, mental fortitude, and now, fantastic teamwork to get to the end. Tori Deal spoke on MTV’s Official Challenge Podcast with host T.J. Lavin about one of the first puzzles the finalists had to complete. According to Tori, the wire puzzle took an extraordinary amount of time for several players to finish.

“Devin finishes the puzzle, I’m gonna say, in 10 minutes,” Tori began. “The next person to finish the puzzle was CT, probably in 15 minutes. The next person to finish the puzzle was me in 45 minutes. There was that much of a time gap between me and CT and Devin. Devin crushed that puzzle. Forty-five minutes between me and first place.”

“We were actually taking so long that production came out and added pieces into our puzzle boards because none of us could figure it out,” Tori noted of all the players except for Devin and CT. “They had to help us, swear to God. But I did the first puzzle really fast.”

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They used to have time limit caps so it didn't take someone 2 hours to solve a puzzle and blow their whole final, but I guess they don't anymore. I guess they forgot that 90% of these contestants likely have a 4th grade intelligence level.

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Bananas says that he'll likely be back next season because CT will catch him in wins if he doesn't get back in.

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It's souch harder for John to win now as opposed to CT for a variety of reasons. Since John has not been on in a few seasons, CT has really formed an alliance with all of the newer staples like Devin and now probably Kaycee and many others.

And since John is not a threat in eliminations like CT is, you can make a big move on him and it may not come back to bite you like it would against CT.

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Wait, you think CT gets six figures A WEEK? 

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I think the top talent gets close to that. I think I read somewhere Vevmo or something once that John got like $60K an episode, and that was quite a few years ago.

Yeah, the challenge is super lucrative if you're an established player. I bet people like Emy get like $3K and episode, if that, and most of the big time vets get 10x that or more.

Thats why it's so devastating when people like Dee get killed off from the show and people like Nany come back year after year after year.

I remember reading like 7 or 8 years ago that someone ran into Nany in Chicago where she was waitress in real life, and she said she could make more on 2 months if the challenge than she could as a full-time waitress in a major city in a year.

Thats also why TJ always hated people so much that quit the show mid season. He said onec in an interview (I don't remember where) that those slots on the show are coveted by so many people that would claw and die for a chance on The Challenge, and when someone comes in and just acts an arse and gets kicked off or quits for bullshite reasons, he despises them for it because they took a slot from someone that really wanted it.

The Challenge is a big business among Viacom reality stars because it's one of the few shows where the same people can constantly come back instead of a whole new crop every season like on most BB and Survivor cycles.

Hopefully we get CT and Johnny in the same season again and they are somehow paired against each other.

I’m not sure I would say CT is better than Johnny but he has absolutely convinced all of the current major players not to make a move on him which basically means he is going to every finals. These last 2 seasons were an absolutely cake walk for CT. I just don’t think Wes/Johnny would let him win this easy if they were around.