re: The Challenge Season 36: Double Agents (Premieres 12/9)

I hope they continue to mix it up with which week is a guys/girls elimination and not tell them until they actually get there.

Leroy is fricking idiot. He has no idea that the Big Brother crew are picking off all non-BB vets one by one and he, like a dumbass, just went along with it like a lost puppy.

This is where he needs John in the game with him to tell, him, 'dude, don't so this, you're being played here.'

And I know Wes basically gave up in that elimination, but he has become a total layup. I get it, he's like 35 and supposedly has lots of money outside the show, plus he's probably getting 6 figures just to show up... But still.

This is the guy who beat Derrick in pole wrestle and won the most stacked cast season probably ever in The Duel.

Sucks for the show. Devin also made a gigantic mistake by not taking Natalie. These vets must think the rookies don't have the saavy to get to a final, because thats twice now that elim winners have passed up Lolo and Natalie... The two strongest girls in the house. Natalie is also smart, but I guess he thinks Tori has the better endurance. Who knows.

... But I do know this. Tori would be extremely hard to pass up on working with every day. Can we get a gif of her arse in those volleyball shorts. Wow.

Leroy is easily one of the most diappinting cast member in the history of the show.

He starts his career by making the final on Rivals 1 with easily one of the physicaly weakest male partners ever (granted he was extremely smart, had heart and they worked extremely well together), but Leroy carried that team to the final and smoked prime baest mode CT, John, Tyler, Wes, Kenny and everyone else to even get to that final. If he didnt win the final daily challenge that year before the final, he and Mike were getting thrown to Wolves and probably would've gone home. But Leroy is the sole reason his team made that stacked final.

Then, he makes a couple other finals and rides with John's power alliance for years. He becomes kind of mid tier competitor, but he's so likeable, fans and cast members alike want him back every year.

Then all the new AYTO blood comes into the picture and Cory, Nelson, Devin and Hunter start head hunting for vets/champs (largely unsuccesfully, BTW) and Leroy thinks it's still 2005 where Coral, Miz, Mark Long and Theo Vonn and the OG crew think because your a vet, your off limits and you run the game.

Then he gets consistently blindsided in eliminations because his status as a competitor suffers and John can oy protect him so much, then he starts goes home 3/4 into every season.

Then John's alliances fade and Leroy for the last 4-5 years keeps pulling the "I can't play nice anymore, I'm in this game for me" card, only to still end up never winning and largely being manipulated by the likes of Kam and others who he chases around like a lost and horny dog and gets used to unwittingly to oust his own friends from the game, all while basically gaining nothing in the ordeal.

I always liked Leroy, but he has become consistently worse on television (his interviews all seem kind of stiff and scripted now) and he's been exposed as someone who just isn't very bright in the least bit and does not have the savvy or guile to win a Challenge, especially nowadays.

Wes seemed genuinly hurt by Leroy's vote and Leroy really had no explanation for why he did it, other than the whole "I gotta win one of these so im making power moves" dumbass line that everyone says now, all while his own partner is clearly just using him for information to benefit her own game.

Leroy has totally become just a pawn for everyone else now.

frick Leroy. He’s been trash for years and is one of the most entitled cast members behind maybe Cara Maria in recent seasons. And you guys nailed it, he’s nothing more than a pawn. Has been for YEARS. I’ve done very few 180s on people as I’ve done on him. Used to love him and now I can’t fricking stand him and hope he loses all the time. And he gets played worse by Kam than anybody else in his history. And he’s dating her. On purpose. So he deserves it all anyway.

Isn't the Tori/Aneesa podcast the "official" challenge podcast? I just wonder how much they have to hold their tongue and not reveal too much rigging rumors and speculation about production and other behind the scenes episodes that Derrick and other podcasts can really dig into more.

I also wonder why the hell John is not hosting or guesting regularly to give his opinions on what is happening this season as neutral observer. I would love to hear his perspective on what he's seeing play out every week and how he'd approach the season.

There's a great idea there and it would incredibly entertaining if he had a great co-host and/or another former champ to talk with.

He may reveal too many dirty little secrets though, and may jeopardize his chances if ever returning to the show. I know Frank Sweeny is essentially persona non grata with the Challenge after he talked out of school on a lot of things on Bill Simmons podcast years ago. I remember listening it when it aired, but I can't remember too many specifics and it was pulled from all platforms not long after it came out.

Its fuzzy, but I think he basically said the whole challenge is nothing but a steroided up coke fest (or at least it was 5-6 yrs ago), but I could be misremebering.

I know other former people who will never be back on like Kenny and Evan have kind of said the same things.

Tori and Annessa are being dubbed the official podcast for this season but Challenge Mania has been going for a few years and they have had everyone from the OG's like Mark Long and Mike the Miz to the newest folks like Joseph and they hit on a pretty good range of topics.

Tori and Annessa break down the current episode every week and give some behind the scene info but they are very careful about what they say.

I started listening to some of the podcasts a month or so ago and it's pretty interesting to hear from the cast. The old days were extremely different. I've heard Kenny say that it used to be coke and roid fueled party. It sounds like the drug days are long gone but I listened to an old Paulie interview and he said they don't have a policy on roids and that many of the guys openly talk about using them, but it's always edited out.

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Joseph said the edits weren't accurate at all and that elimination wasn't as it appeared.

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Yea, I know I should just go listen but that doesn’t make sense. Did he actually score a point that they didn’t show or something?

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but I guess he thinks Tori has the better endurance. Who knows.

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He's going to throw the challenge to get thrown in hoping for a female elimination.

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Sucks for the show. Devin also made a gigantic mistake by not taking Natalie. These vets must think the rookies don't have the saavy to get to a final, because thats twice now that elim winners have passed up Lolo and Natalie... The two strongest girls in the house. Natalie is also smart, but I guess he thinks Tori has the better endurance. Who knows.

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it's completely a numbers game. and you're hardly even on someone's team, which it appears some have figured out and some haven't.

1) individual eliminations. i dont care how good my partner is if they can lose and i can still stay.
2) my partner (or I) can get stolen at every elimination, so this doesnt even have to be my partner for long.

it has literally zero to do with picking a "good" partner like natalie or lolo and everything to do with numbers. kyle picks kam and devin picks tori. it makes complete sense.

It's been a little hard to track who is really with who.

I thought CT and Big T were going to side with Devin last episode and they didn't.

Obviously the Big Brother people are going to stick together, but it's a mess after that.