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re: The Americans final season - Official Season 6 Thread (spoliers)

Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:29 am to
Posted by Sayre
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:29 am to
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What if she was waiting for Claudia?


Claudia is long gone.
Posted by Sayre
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:31 am to
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Paige will have it tough, especially if Stan ever saw her again she’s guilty of espionage


How so? They don't evidence of her doing anything. As far as they know, she's just a student like Henry.
And Stan's not going to say anything. She could ruin him by telling that he let her parents go. The FBI won't even know that she knew about her parents unless Stan says something, and he won't/can't.

They'll question her, but as long as she plays it cool, she'll be fine.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 12:33 am
Posted by Sayre
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:34 am to
It's so ironic that they get away scott free, and Oleg is going to rot for 20 years in an American prison.

Love how they didn't soften up and not keep the tragedy in the story that the show is known for.

Just like in the real world, the nice guys often finish last.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:37 am to
Yes you’re right Stan can’t say anything but they will tear apart the house and likely her apartment and could interrogate the shite out her, maybe she’ll stay cool but maybe she’d crack, she’s not trained like her parents. Still how is she going to support her self? Henry at least has Stan to watch over him
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:41 am to
I loved the finale. Finales are a tough thing for great shows to pull off, and Weisberg and his crew did it.

The ending was satisfying but not overly contrived. Elizabeth and Philip were able to pull off a difficult move with the "help" of Stan and some good disguises that fooled regular old Canadian border patrol in Quebec.

Henry is alone out in the world, but Stan will watch over him. And I think Philip expects Henry to a) be smart enough to get scholarships from college and b) utilize his boarding school connections in life to make it in America. The best shot of the entire episode was when Stan went to Henry's hockey practice and told him everything that went down. Henry looked so sad and confused, and then the camera zoomed in on the back of his jersey where we see the name JENNINGS on the back.

My second favorite scene was when Elizabeth had the dream where she was living with Gregory in the USSR. What was once her dream became her nightmare because of her emotional bond to Philip, a man she never felt the same kind of attraction to in a physical sense.

I loved the scene with Paige stepping off the train and the look of shock on Philip's face. That was the only scene that really took me for a surprise in the episode. Didn't see that coming, but I get it. She is an American. And the FBI doesn't have shite on her. All she ever did was some Mickey Mouse level spywork. She will get called in for questioning and she'll be fine. The Bureau has nothing on her, unlike Father Andrey and the rest. In the last scene, what apartment was she in? It looked like Claudia's place, but that is ridiculously risky to visit.

My only complaint is that they didn't show if the message from Oleg was ever sent to the Soviets. I assume it did, or it was at least given to the CIA who knew the importance of what was going down, but it would have been nice to see a scene with that.

I wonder when Oleg gets out of prison. Does Gorbachev make a move for him? Does he get out under Yeltsin?
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:42 am to
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It's so ironic that they get away scott free, and Oleg is going to rot for 20 years in an American prison. Love how they didn't soften up and not keep the tragedy in the story that the show is known for.


I agree that makes it awesome though in reality I’d bet they could make a deal for Oleg since we know Gorbachev wins
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:44 am to
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Still how is she going to support her self?


She's 21 and (I believe) finishing her junior year at George Washington. She'll take out a loan for her senior year, continue to do well in school, and get a job in DC. She'll have some debt and of course no one to provide for her if she wants to take a year off, travel, go to grad school, etc., but a lot of people have it worse.

And I think Paige thought about it, and that scenario was more palatable than going to the USSR.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:48 am to
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message from Oleg was ever sent to the Soviets. I assume it did, or it was at least given to the CIA who knew the importance of what was going down,


That’s a good question would they give it to the CIA, government agencies don’t always cooperate
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:53 am to
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She'll take out a loan for her senior year


Could a kid with no co-signer get a loan in 1988? Maybe she’d qualify for a scholarship
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:57 am to
I think that the cost of tuition minus her scholarship (in 1988) would be manageable enough for someone with good GPA and just a year of school left. Hell maybe she only had a semester left.

Life won't be easy for her, but in the end, the Jennings kids will make it, imo.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 12:59 am to
On the other hand, Arkady may have all the "proof" he needs in the accounts of Philip and Elizabeth. So even if Stan doesn't realize how important that info is, it will be in Soviet hands one way or another.
Posted by AA77
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:00 am to
The KGB did go ahead with a coup but it wasn’t until 91’ and it wasn’t very successful.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:07 am to
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Life won't be easy for her, but in the end, the Jennings kids will make it, imo.


Maybe so but that’s too bad, I’d love that traitorous count to suffer

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Arkady may have all the "proof" he needs in the accounts of Philip and Elizabeth. So even if Stan doesn't realize how important that info is, it will be in Soviet hands one way or another.


Well it’s not just Stan, Oleg was arrested with a message maybe the FBI would pass it to the CIA maybe not, but do Phillip and Elizabeth tell Arkady? Do they know he’s the one Oleg was working for? They do know some of the KGB is behind it
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 1:11 am
Posted by Sayre
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:15 am to
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Yes you’re right Stan can’t say anything but they will tear apart the house and likely her apartment and could interrogate the shite out her, maybe she’ll stay cool but maybe she’d crack, she’s not trained like her parents. Still how is she going to support her self? Henry at least has Stan to watch over him


She's very smart. I imagine Stan will help her out.
I imagine Henry might be pissed at her, but as long as she minimizes her role, like if she says all she did was know about them and not participate, he'll come around.

If you think back over the season, there was a number of times that Elizabeth reiterated the need to keep her real life and the spy life separate. They'll find nothing at her apartment, and she's a cool character now. They won't rattle her.

Also, she and Henry might get the house they lived in. Don't know how that will turn out. If the gov't doesn't seize it somehow, they'd be able to sell it and keep anything left after the mortgage was paid off.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 1:22 am
Posted by Sayre
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:18 am to
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In the last scene, what apartment was she in? It looked like Claudia's place, but that is ridiculously risky to visit.



That was it. I guess she didn't know the whole story, and that Claudia had flown the coop.

The FBI might never figure out what that place was really used for. All they were after were Elizabeth and Philip, not Claudia. I imagine the Center will just not renew the lease.

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My only complaint is that they didn't show if the message from Oleg was ever sent to the Soviets. I assume it did, or it was at least given to the CIA who knew the importance of what was going down, but it would have been nice to see a scene with that.


Didn't you hear what Philip was saying to Stan? He and Elizabeth are going to bring that message themselves. Oleg is just screwed.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 1:19 am
Posted by Sayre
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:20 am to
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So did Stan tell Henry...

1) your parents are russian spies

Or

2) your family is dead

I assume and feel #1 but am not positive.



Philip told him to tell the truth, and I have no doubt that's what he did. He'd find out anyway. You know the FBI is going to interview him, regardless.
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 1:25 am
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 1:23 am to
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but do Phillip and Elizabeth tell Arkady? Do they know he’s the one Oleg was working for? They do know some of the KGB is behind it


I think Philip has some decent knowledge of Arkady. That Arkady is the man to pick them up is even more fitting.
This is going back to earlier in the season, but before Oleg left for DC, Arkady told him he met with Philip in the past, just once or twice. He then used some coded language to basically imply "He is one of us", in other words the liberal, anti-authoritarian Soviets. Arkady and Philip are the two most intelligent people on the show. They'll figure out what they need pretty quickly.
Posted by Sho Nuff
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 3:25 am to
That scene in the garage was phenomenal. Poor Stan was shell shocked. He was ready to take them down but the reality of his true friendship with Phillip and Phillip appealing to him changed the outcome. Oleg is fricked and that really sucks as he was a good guy and his family is devastated. My wife says she feels bad for Henry. I don’t give a shite about Paige

I know it was an effort to be truthful but what a mind frick telling Stan his girl could be Russian. I’m sad this show is over, all of a sudden the end is here and it almost felt rushed to get done. I could’ve watched another year or two easily.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 5:08 am to
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they had to do things that they might not have liked but that were necessary in the big picture.



Complete bullshite.KGB agents didn't go around DC assassinating people.It's garbage if you believe it.It woulda caused a complete meltdown in diplomatic relations.

KGB agents weren't murders on US soil.
Posted by Tigerstark
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:25 am to
I was pretty happy with that finale.

To me, its clear that Henry and Paige were "The Americans". Henry because there was no way they could pull him out. And Paige because she couldn't leave.

I wasn't sure what to make of them both getting to USSR without one of them dying, etc . But the pain of having to leave Henry and then to have Paige walk away was probably the better way.

Claudia is long gone - but I think that was to say that Paige has no idea who she is or where to go at that point. AS other have pointed out, she'll likely be fine as long as she doesn't admit to anything or have anything in her apartment.


Stan garage scene was fantastic. The way Philip played him was both beautiful and brutal. Stan will regret that the rest of his life.

Likewise, telling him his wife could be a spy - hate (and love) that they kept both Stan and the audience in permanent suspense like that. The damn look she gave the FBI swarming over the Jennings house....

What was it that Elizabeth said to the black guy about a baby in her dream/memory at the end? That she never wanted kids? Cause the way he rubbed her belly...was it saying she had another kid? Or was that her dream of the way she would have picked life?



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