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re: 'The Acolyte' Megathread: The Grand Finale is now streaming
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:14 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:14 am to SammyTiger
quote:The frick?
No it wasn’t.
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:14 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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The Darth Plagueis novel is fantastic. It’s a great read and there is also a very well done audiobook version, as well. Highly recommend.
That book along with the Darth Bane trilogy are my two favorite Star Wars novelizations.
And if the powers that be at Disney really wanted to save Star Wars, they’d stop this political agenda bullshite and make two trilogies:
1. Darth Reaven trilogy
2. Darth Bane trilogy
These would become gargantuan, record-breaking blockbusters and ensure Star Wars thrives for generations to come. They already have all the material they need to make them.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:19 am to Darth_Vader
What are all these rumors about episode 3? I’ve seen rumors about them destroying canon and also using pronouns (lol)
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:20 am to Roaad
The Star Wars Franchise is based on the OT.
nowhere in the OT do they mention Anakin being the chosen one. They don’t mention the virgin birth. They don’t mention that he was supposed to bring balance to the force.
It’s just not part of the OT. Yet Vader is a huge part of those movies and their themes and they absolutely still work.
So Cleary it’s not the “whole point” of Vader. Everything about him in the OT is significant and it has nothing to do with that. if anything it’s the aspect of the character from the lamest parts of the Franchise.
nowhere in the OT do they mention Anakin being the chosen one. They don’t mention the virgin birth. They don’t mention that he was supposed to bring balance to the force.
It’s just not part of the OT. Yet Vader is a huge part of those movies and their themes and they absolutely still work.
So Cleary it’s not the “whole point” of Vader. Everything about him in the OT is significant and it has nothing to do with that. if anything it’s the aspect of the character from the lamest parts of the Franchise.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:23 am to SammyTiger
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No it wasn’t. The Whole point was that he’s Lukes father and that Luke and the forces of good can redeem him. The Hero’s Journey, Family, Good Vs Evil and the power of redemption are the central themes of the OT and thus Star Wars.
Get the stick out of your vagine. I’m talking about the prequels and why Anakin was made out to be The Chosen One. It was because he was created through The Force or by The Force and at the time this was considered unheard of by both Jedi and Sith.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:24 am to SammyTiger
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The Star Wars Franchise is based on the OT.
Oh so you’re one of those.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:26 am to WicKed WayZ
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Oh so you’re one of those.
I am not going to reject everything else, but if you want to talk about central themes and what’s most important in SW then yes, you have to look to the OT.
If it’s not necissary in the OT then it isn’t the “whole point” of Star Wars.
that’s doesn’t mean it’s not important to some parts of star wars.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:31 am to SammyTiger
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am not going to reject everything else, but if you want to talk about central themes and what’s most important in SW then yes, you have to look to the OT.
But yet that’s exactly what you’re doing. And if that’s the case we have nothing to discuss. Because to me, and a large, large section of Star Wars fans, the prequels are just as essential to Star Wars as the OT
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:35 am to WicKed WayZ
I just don’t think you can say a character is pointless because there is another virgin force birth.
Especially when that aspect of the character didn’t exist for 22 years after the character was introduced.
Especially when that aspect of the character didn’t exist for 22 years after the character was introduced.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 11:37 am
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:38 am to SammyTiger
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idk he seems pretty important in the world whether he’s the first force birth or not.
The entirety of Star Wars is based around the prophecy of the Force being balanced. Anakin does this by destroying Vader and returning to good, while killing the other Sith, Palpatine. With Palpatine still alive, Anakin did nothing but kill Vader, which wasn't fulfilling the prophecy. Him being the first force birth is a major indicator to the Jedi that he was the one to fulfill the prophecy. In Ashoka, he was in the world between worlds where he should be, except it doesn't make sense because he didn't fulfill the prophecy by Disney's own storytelling.
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Also, I dint knownif you can compare the crucifixion to becoming Darth Vader
It's not a 1 for 1 parallel but it's similar to the 3 days he spent in hell. Star Wars is filled with loose parallels and parts of various religions and history. Chosen One being the Messiah, Palatine being Hitler, Stormtrooopers being Nazis, Jedi being warrior monks/templars, the fall of the Republic being like the fall of the Roman Empire, Maul looking like the Devil, Hindu concepts of universal existence, etc.
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and NONE of that was in the OT so saying Vader is a jesus allegory is the central theme of star wars is fricking crazy
The central character of Star Wars is Vader. I'm not saying he's 1 for 1 Jesus, other religions have had virgin births, but his story isn't just some made up thing with nothing behind it. It's a Messiah story, just most closely paralleling Christianity. What they just did ruined whatever allegory you want to make.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:53 am to SammyTiger
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Especially when that aspect of the character didn’t exist for 22 years after the character was introduced.
It’s irrelevant. The Prequels, whether your love them or hate them, are just as central and essential Star Wars as the OT and should be treated as such.
I mean, shite, the showrunner for The Acolyte talks way way more about the prequels than the originals in the videos where she’s actually talking about the inspiration for the show.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:08 pm to WicKed WayZ
There is no star wars without the OT. And it’s absolutely relevant. Vader had a point before the PT came out. So obviously the whole point of the character isn’t about the prophecy.
Your argument is that the PT which is background for 1 character, should not just hold as much weight, but actually changes the meaning and themes of the OT.
I absolutely do not accept that, but if you do, let me ask you, why are you not willing to accept another change.
it’s not like the PT was so good and it all made better sense that way.
Why is the PT more important than the acolyte to forming the lore?
Your argument is that the PT which is background for 1 character, should not just hold as much weight, but actually changes the meaning and themes of the OT.
I absolutely do not accept that, but if you do, let me ask you, why are you not willing to accept another change.
it’s not like the PT was so good and it all made better sense that way.
Why is the PT more important than the acolyte to forming the lore?
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:09 pm to WicKed WayZ
I have always been dumbfounded that Kathleen Kennedy hasn’t been fired yet. The initial plan was a Star Wars film every year with a “‘main episode like 10, 11, 12” every other year. The sequel trilogy was such a massive failure, with Solo also to an extent, that they haven’t released a film in years and abandoned that plan.
The only rational reason for her still being in charge is they are purposefully destroying the IP.
The only rational reason for her still being in charge is they are purposefully destroying the IP.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:13 pm to Draco Malfoy
They’re actually talking about changing their streaming shows from long form stories to episodic TV. They’ve already killed Star Wars and now they want to desecrate its carcass.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:19 pm to Madking
Episodic Star Wars shows? Yeah intentionally killing it
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:23 pm to Draco Malfoy
I think it could work with Mando if they got rid of Grogu but doing it with any other show would be a disaster. Have Mando take bounties and kind of give us a tour of the entire Star Wars universe with his travels and adventures. Probably what Mando should’ve been from the get go honestly.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:25 pm to JetsetNuggs
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The entirety of Star Wars is based around the prophecy of the Force being balanced. Anakin does this by destroying Vader and returning to good, while killing the other Sith, Palpatine.
How is this balanced? Anakin brought balance to the Force in episode 3 when he reduced the Jedi to Yoda and Kenobi (disregarding the surviving Jedi added later) to match Sidious and Vader. That’s balance. Killing Palpatine and dying unbalanced the Force back to the Light when Luke is left as the last Jedi with no Sith.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:26 pm to SammyTiger
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Why is the PT more important than the acolyte to forming the lore?
Because it was created by Lucas. That’s why. It’s his baby and his lore that should be followed. He’s stated in plenty of interviews that Anakin was an anomaly from the Force.
I assume you know what anomaly’s are. The fact there are not just 1 but 2 more anomalies/miracles created by the Force just 100 years before Anakin is just fricking stupid and even worse, it’s fricking lazy. Bottom line
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:32 pm to Darth_Vader
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Darth Bane trilogy
I just finished it a couple of weeks ago. Really enjoyed it, as well. The last book is phenomenal.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:44 pm to Esquire
The Sith's Rule of Two.
The Jedi misread the prophecy thinking Anakin was going to be some great knight that would destroy the Sith literally with a lightsaber. When Obi Wan cuts Maul in half, the Jedi are under the impression one of the Sith is dead. At Qui-Gon's funeral, they talk about there being one more out there.
It never crossed most of their minds that Anakin would become a Sith to destroy them.
Yoda, being the wisest Jedi, has a slight inkling of this. That's why he questions it, but being the Grandmaster of the Jedi, he follows the Force however it is laid out in front of him.
When Anakin returns and kills Palpatine, that's the first Sith. When he asks Luke to take his mask off so he can look at his son with his own eyes, Anakin is fully restored, killing Vader and fulfilling the prophecy.
The Jedi misread the prophecy thinking Anakin was going to be some great knight that would destroy the Sith literally with a lightsaber. When Obi Wan cuts Maul in half, the Jedi are under the impression one of the Sith is dead. At Qui-Gon's funeral, they talk about there being one more out there.
It never crossed most of their minds that Anakin would become a Sith to destroy them.
Yoda, being the wisest Jedi, has a slight inkling of this. That's why he questions it, but being the Grandmaster of the Jedi, he follows the Force however it is laid out in front of him.
When Anakin returns and kills Palpatine, that's the first Sith. When he asks Luke to take his mask off so he can look at his son with his own eyes, Anakin is fully restored, killing Vader and fulfilling the prophecy.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 12:55 pm
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