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re: Sugar on Apple TV Starring Colin Farrell

Posted on 8/9/26 at 6:19 pm to
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 8/9/26 at 6:19 pm to
I like the ambiguity they are playing with related to his friends from Ohio, although sometimes it feels like they play fast and loose with the details from that plot, and handwaive away some details of it in order to allow him to just do the detective plot line without interference
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/10/26 at 6:48 am to
Potential spoiler below.

I'm ok with the sci-fi of the show if it doesn't get too ridiculous. It's something that is a slow burn in the background but I think this latest reveal might bring to the forefront.
I'm a little confused when his love interest asked him to move to Milan. Was that a legit request where she wanted both of them to get away from what was about to be revealed? When he said no, was she upset that he didn't want to be with her in Milan or that she set him up for the reveal?

Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 8/10/26 at 7:50 am to
It was a legit offer. Probably going to Milan to continue work for the same people, but I believe their connection was genuine and she wanted to continue it. They only told her to start a conversation and report back on how he seemed and acted. The rest of it was legit.

Think a bigger question I have is if she is also a friend from Ohio
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 8/10/26 at 8:14 am to
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Reviews mention crazy twist in episode 6 that seems to kill enthusiasm for what went before.


Yeah I start losing interest in exactly at that point.
Posted by wesfau
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 8/10/26 at 9:14 am to
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Reviews mention crazy twist in episode 6 that seems to kill enthusiasm for what went before. First two episodes were good.


Watched eps 6-8 last night for the first time. The twist was...overdone and a little shocking, but it didn't put me off the show. I enjoyed the "new" storyline, now that we know it's not really about the Siegel kidnapping.

Ferrell still kills it in what could have been a caricature rather than the character he made.


SPOILER BELOW.











You kind of knew what was coming when you saw the blood bag that Henry put on the bathroom counter. After he shoots up, I think they'd have been better served (shocked the audience less) if his eyes had flashed blue or there had been some other subtle acknowledgment of his "alien-ness."
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/10/26 at 9:31 am to
I saw an ad for season 2 which spoiled the twist before I started watching it, so with that in the back of my mind, they give you a lot of hints and set up to that twist in the early episodes. I could see how it’s easily missed if I didn’t know going in, but it’s not a big bait and switch type of twist

My only complaint is instantly shifting focus of the series in the season 2 opening and throwing away what I thought was an interesting end game plot with Henry. Guessing they couldn’t get the actor to return for a full time role
Posted by wesfau
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 8/10/26 at 10:07 am to
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My only complaint is instantly shifting focus of the series in the season 2 opening and throwing away what I thought was an interesting end game plot with Henry. Guessing they couldn’t get the actor to return for a full time role


Well, shite. That's what I assumed S2 was going to be. (I've skipped over portions of this thread discussing S2.)

The only really obvious tipoff of his "otherness" was the booze capacity. I will go back and see if I can spot others.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/10/26 at 10:13 am to
Sorry if I spoiled that- it really is the opening scene of S2

They don’t completely end that plot line as a whole but sort of pivot it elsewhere, which doesn’t really come back into the picture until the S2 finale which has another twist.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 8/10/26 at 10:17 am to
I stopped after the twist from season 1. It was just so weird it turned me off to the show. Was debating on picking it back up. How's season 2 compared to season 1?
Posted by wesfau
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 8/10/26 at 10:22 am to
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Sorry if I spoiled that- it really is the opening scene of S2


No worries. My personal rule is that if it's been streaming more than a couple of days, it's going to be really hard to avoid spoilers in social media. If I'm really trying, I'll simply avoid the threads here.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/10/26 at 11:06 am to
I’d say it’s pretty similar to season 1. The twist aspect of the plot coming up in the first episode and the last episode, everything in between is pretty much solely focused on a new case and the private investigator part of the whole ordeal.


I would also recommend the Lincoln Lawyer TV show if you like the PI aspect but not the Sci-fi aspect of it. It’s a more upbeat/cheesy vibe and more about lawyering but there’s a lot of shared DNA with how they progress a case over the course of a season through the lense of a fun main character set in LA
Posted by TheNameIsDalton
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Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 8/10/26 at 2:15 pm to
I enjoyed season 1 more than 2 but the season 2 finale was strong and actually has me excited for a potential season 3.

I didn’t mind the reveal but…

1. I really enjoyed the Old Hollywood Noir vibe of season 1. Sugar is a great character and show but I noticed I was way more into the story compared to the later boxing/drug trafficking storyline.

2. The reveal is certainly a twist but the writers decided to be weird and didn’t really touch on it except for bits and pieces and then the season finale. Why not actually lean into it?

3. If we get a final season, it would be cool to get back into the Noir element. Maybe he tracks down an alien serial killer or something. I was just totally disinterested in the boxer and drug runners.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/10/26 at 2:56 pm to
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It was a legit offer. Probably going to Milan to continue work for the same people, but I believe their connection was genuine and she wanted to continue it. They only told her to start a conversation and report back on how he seemed and acted. The rest of it was legit.

Think a bigger question I have is if she is also a friend from Ohio


Why did Sugar decide to follow her that night? I think I missed a short bit in there. Also I don't remember anything about Ohio, what's this about?
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
7143 posts
Posted on 8/10/26 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

My only complaint is instantly shifting focus of the series in the season 2 opening and throwing away what I thought was an interesting end game plot with Henry. Guessing they couldn’t get the actor to return for a full time role


After the reveal last week, it's got me thinking about why Henry killed himself and why he made Sugar believe he did something to her (kidnapped, killed, etc).
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116404 posts
Posted on 8/10/26 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

Why did Sugar decide to follow her that night? I think I missed a short bit in there. Also I don't remember anything about Ohio, what's this about?


SPOILERS






When she was asking him to go to Milan with her, she slipped up and said “all your friends are gone, you should come”, which tipped him off that she knew something about his background or his situation entirely. In that scene it shows her calling someone saying “I slipped up, what do I do?” And he began following her to investigate who she really is/really wanted which led him to the party


The Ohio thing is just a coy way to reference that he is an alien. At the end of S2, he meets back with Siegal from season 1 (James Cromwell), and Sugar asks him if Melanie (his love interest from season 1) told him about where he is from(ie, that he is an alien, bc he showed her at the end of S1). Cromwell replies “everyone knows you’re from Ohio” but the rest of the conversation implies he’s aware that he’s an alien and Melanie did tell him. They discuss his “friends from Ohio” who warned him against the dangers of assimilation (with humans) and how it changes them the longer they assimilate. Cromwell states he’ll never be like “Californians” and he doesn’t even think he’s like “his friends in Ohio”, he’s just Sugar. It’s a good scene I’d recommend going back and watching it

















/End Spoilers
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116404 posts
Posted on 8/10/26 at 3:50 pm to
To that point I think that plot point could’ve worked better had they not set it up the way they did at the end of Season 1. The pivot feels very jarring and seems like they either couldn’t get him to return full time or had a big change in their direction of the series. Even if it’s the latter and the story is better for it in the long run, I think it would’ve been better served to take more time to reveal that. Maybe it’s bc I binged it the whole way but felt very jolting to go from the set up at S1 right into a complete swerve on it to open S2
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
7143 posts
Posted on 8/10/26 at 4:26 pm to
Oh yeah, I was halfway paying attention to the Cromwell convo. I forgot that he alluded to knowing.

Her saying "all your friends are gone" kinda slipped by me. I noticed his expression changed with that. I just took it as she was being a little insensitive because I thought he admitted to her that he didn't have any friends. But now this makes sense. I think I had too much bourbon at the end of this episode and it went by me.
Posted by jp4lsu
Member since Sep 2016
7143 posts
Posted on 8/10/26 at 4:28 pm to
The Henry angle could've been an interesting "searching for the villain" season as he tracks down Henry and in the process discovers the same big reveal as S2 did.
It certainly seemed they set it up for him to be the villain the next season.
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