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Started watching Wayward Pines a few days ago...some questions...

Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:22 pm
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:22 pm
Please no spoilers past E4 at this point...thanks.

I started this over the weekend, and am currently four episodes (out of ten) in. And it's, um.....weird.

And I knew it would be, which is one reason I was interested in watching it in the first place. And the acting is phenomenonally bad, like laughably bad (looking at you, Juliette Lewis, Matt Dillon, and Terrence Howard). And the plot makes almost zero sense at this point, and is hilarious at times.

And all that being said, I find myself really digging it so far. I'm interested to see just how weird it gets.

My main question is does it get so weird that it's difficult to watch? I realize that the premise they've set up so far is pretty out there, but does it just get so overly ridiculous that it stops being fun to watch?

I'm through E4. For a refresher, at this point matt Dillon is trapped in WP and can't get out. He teamed with Juliette Lewis for a bit, but she got merked in E2 or 3 (I think). Now they've captured his family and they're in WP as well, and the crew is trying to just fit in and play along until they can figure some things out and devise a way to escape. Dillon killed sheriff Howard last episode (E4 or the end of 3) and they made him the new sheriff and everybody acts like that's normal.

Apparently they're all (like everyone) prisoners (of a sort) in this town and to question anything means you get dealt with. Nevermind that Ethan keeps questioning everything and everybody, and keeps talking about the past, and keeps going against the grain, and he has not only not been dealt with, but has risen in the ranks and is now sheriff.

Oh, there's also some weird arse time shift angle that is in play, even though some of the show takes place in the "present." Oh yeah, and also ridiculous creatures in the woods and the surrounding walls that steal dead bodies and snarl at mountain climbers (that's where the end of E4 left off). At this point I'm not sure what's up with all of that shite.

This show is so overly ridiculous and unintentionally hilarious that I like it so far, but I definitely think if it keeps getting exponentially more ridiculous, then I may start to lose interest. It's only ten episodes, so I plan on sticking it out to the end, I'm just sort of wondering what to expect the farther along I go.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 12:35 pm
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:40 pm to
They explain things before too much longer.
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:49 pm to
They do explain what is going on, but it is kind of out there. I don't want to spoil anything for you, so I'll just say that you might as well finish it out. It was decent for a summer series imo.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:05 pm to
The preview for the next episode said that it will be explained I believe (and it's title is "The Truth" or something like that).

I was just curious if the explanations are SO FAR out there that it's just plain stupid and not enjoyable.
Posted by lagallifrey
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:14 pm to
The explanation is at least somewhat plausible. It has that going for it. In that sense it is sort of satisfying. But the show quality is so bad that I quit watching after a few more episodes. I think the show was more effective when there were mysteries. I enjoyed the mystery, They were a good hook. After everything is explained you're left with a bad show and no mysteries.

That said, the show quality is actually fairly superior to the writing of the books, believe it or not. I read them all and they are terrible. Don't look up the books, the titles give away the big secret.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 1:17 pm to
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He teamed with Juliette Lewis for a bit, but she got merked in E2 or 3 (I think).


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and he has not only not been dealt with


Reckoned is the term you are looking for. She was reckoned. He has not been reckoned. They are reckonings, and the events are, oddly, insanely popular. Some kind of catharsis I'm sure.

All I will tell you is to keep watching through the end. Here in the next three episodes or so, your mind is going to be blown all over the fricking place. You'll be able to process it after you finish picking your brains up off of the floor.

Mind. Blown.
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:05 pm to
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I was just curious if the explanations are SO FAR out there that it's just plain stupid and not enjoyable.

The explanation itself isn't too far out there, although there was one piece of the explanation that I thought was kind of goofy (but I can't go any further since I'd spoil it for you).

The only real problem I had with it was (like someone else already said) that after they told you what was actually going on midway through the season, there really wasn't a real big reveal left for the show. They probably should've kept that reveal for the end.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:52 pm to
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The explanation is at least somewhat plausible

This is basically what I was asking, thanks. Although this doesn't have me thrilled:
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But the show quality is so bad that I quit watching after a few more episodes. I think the show was more effective when there were mysteries. I enjoyed the mystery, They were a good hook. After everything is explained you're left with a bad show and no mysteries.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:55 pm to
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Reckoned is the term you are looking for. She was reckoned. He has not been reckoned. They are reckonings, and the events are, oddly, insanely popular. Some kind of catharsis I'm sure.

Nah, I know what the reckonings are. That's not what I was getting at. I chose my words correctly.
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All I will tell you is to keep watching through the end. Here in the next three episodes or so, your mind is going to be blown all over the fricking place. You'll be able to process it after you finish picking your brains up off of the floor.

Mind. Blown.

It would take a lot to blow my mind on this show (unless it's so bad that my mind is blown ). I actually sort of have a theory about what is going on, so I am interested to see if I'm anywhere close to correct.

I tried following along with the original season thread, but it is all one thread, so it's not easy to follow along since the thread wasn't terribly popular. I have to trad very lightly as to not spoil myself by going into the next episode's comments within the thread. That's one reason I started this thread instead of bumping the old one.
Posted by lagallifrey
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 2:58 pm to
What is your theory? I won't comment on it.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:07 pm to
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What is your theory?

It's sort of pieces of theories, basically.

I feel like it has something to do with training/testing from the government. That would explain the higher-level government's involvement (like the Secret Service office guys, for example). It would also explain how easily things can happen (like Ethan's family being tracked/captured). The whole "mind control/brainwashed" angle fits into that as well.

There is a part of me that wonders about time travel or another dimension, something like that. But that would be tough to do seeing as how WP and the real world are pretty closely intertwined (like Ethan's family being able to drive there basically, the kids in the gas station of the nearby town knowing about WP, etc.). But there has to be some explanation for the time dilation there.

So as of right now, I'm thinking it's some sort of test/training where the government chooses their best agents (or the worst?) and sends them in. What also stands out to me is that Ethan and ole girl are both there, and they were fricking around with each other on the job. So it could be some sort of punishment as well. But I'm not sure on that just yet; that's just something that jumped into my mind while I was watching this last episode. Also, is his wife an agent, or did she train to become one at some point? She said something last episode that made me wonder, but it was sort of like a passing comment, so I didn't know what to make of it.

I'm not sure what to make of the monsters thing just yet, as I've only seen glimpses of them (when they took the sheriff's body, which wasn't even really shown onscreen, and the one hiding behind the tree when Ethan climed the mountain). Clearly they're some sort of "security" to keep people in, a la The Village, but I'm not sure what other purpose they serve, or what they actually are.

The only thing I know for sure is that the whole town is full of shite. I mean, I get the whole "obey or you're fricked" angle, but come the frick on...the cute girl at school actually pretending to take interest in the lanky nerd son? That's a fricking stretch.

I just about busted out laughing when she randomly goes "You must have tons of friends back home, and a girlfriend too."
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 3:09 pm
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:20 pm to
like someone else said, it's a cool summer popcorn flick, not a piece of cinema genius that will survive the ages and be a testament to 21st century artistry. It's wildly out there :)
Posted by Mouth
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:46 pm to
it is M Night Shamalamanianianain.

the twist is coming.
Posted by lagallifrey
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 4:09 pm to
[quote]cute girl at school actually pretending to take interest in the lanky nerd son? That's a fricking stretch. [/quote


Of all the things to complain about, that is by far the least implausible
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 4:11 pm to
Just like I tell everyone that is in any other thread about a show that has already aired, bail out now before someone accidentally spoils the big twist for you.

But once the big twist has been revealed, come back and tells us what you thought. I'd love to hear what you think of the big twist.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 4:14 pm
Posted by Murray
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:03 pm to
I'm gonna blow the twist for you:

Dillion's frumpy wife? That's Ledgers princess from A Knights Tale.

Posted by Dingeaux
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:06 pm to
I read the books this summer. I watched the series about halfway and lost interest.

The quality was pretty poor.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 9:00 am to
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But once the big twist has been revealed, come back and tells us what you thought. I'd love to hear what you think of the big twist.

So I watched "The Truth" episode last night. When she gave them the coins, I said out loud "I bet those are quarters." But the time dilation thing is WAY more than I would've guessed.

So they're 2,000 years in the future? Okay. And the world is run by these "abbies" that evolved from humans (with some genetic help from humans themselves). And WP is a safehaven for the human race (as we know it).

Still need explanations for how humans are chosen and how they actually get there. Per the teacher, she says they were in hypersleep (or whatever) for like 2,000 years. WTF??

The thing that is throwing me off about it is the outside world (our current world) knowing about it and interacting with WP. When the wife called Ethan's Secret Service office, she actually talked to people and the sheriff pulled over her and the son. So apparently you can travel back and forth between timelines. My guess is that's gonna be Ethan's goal eventually: to get back to his former life/timeline.

One thing that kinda bugged me (well, a lot, I guess) was that the teacher is explaining to the kids "the truth" and where they are, and telling them about the abbies and how they're perfect predators and lethal killing machines and all that, all while Ethan is in the woods with them totally not getting killed and eaten. She talks about their sight and heightened sense of smell and hearing and all that, while he chills behind a log staring at them in the face while they eat that deer. I realize it's a TV show, but that seemed a little stupid.
Posted by lagallifrey
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 9:19 am to
I'm not sure whether you would consider these spoilers, or just answers to the questions you raised. The information below is from the episode you watched. Read if you like:











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The answers in the truth are just that - the truth. They slept and are now in the future. Don't overthink it. That is the answer. There is no time travel involved. No going back. They really did give away all the interesting secrets early in the season. It's all downhill from here.







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End spoilerish answers. But they weren't so much spoilers as answers from the episode you watched. I think I only watched 1 or 2 more after this. And yes, the ultimate predators are stupid and don't seem to be that dangerous when anyone with intelligence or with weapons is around. That was the case in the books too. It is one of the stupid features of the story.
This post was edited on 10/7/15 at 9:21 am
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 10/7/15 at 9:45 am to
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The answers in the truth are just that - the truth. They slept and are now in the future. Don't overthink it. That is the answer. There is no time travel involved. No going back. They really did give away all the interesting secrets early in the season. It's all downhill from here.

But that's impossible the way the story sets things up though.

If they are in the future, then how did the office of government workers (the SS office?) know that Ethan's wife and son were going to find him, then Terrence Howard gets a call in Wayward Pines that they're on the way, then he goes out to meet them on the road? That all happened before their "accident" and waking up in the future...a future where Terrence Howard still exists and is still sheriff.

If there's no jumping in time, then nothing makes sense, because Ethan's family definitely existed in real time, and talked to people at that gas station who knew about WP, and then on their way there, they were pulled over by the sheriff.

So there has to be some overlap or way to travel between the two. Otherwise, it doesn't add up.

And you don't need to answer any of that; I'm more just thinking out loud in this thread.

But hopefully that is addressed at some point (since you said you gave up after another episode or two).
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