re: Star Wars unveils first look of its first trans woman stormtrooper called 'Sister'

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You want me to link the thread you’re posting in. Lay off the paint chips Corky

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no retRd

I want you to link the post, because you didn’t explain how this ruins star wars.

Why can’t the leftists just make their own tranny filled gay movies.

Tranny Wars
Ball Gag Wars
Gay Wars
Rainbow flag Warrior Wars

Their attempt to drag this shite into everything is disgusting.

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what does this even mean?

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Definition of a Mott-and-bailey fallacy:

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a form of argument and an informal fallacy where an arguer conflates two positions that share similarities, one modest and easy to defend (the "motte") and one much more controversial and harder to defend (the "bailey").

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to the whole point is that the Motte is supposed to be something everyone agrees upon and you use to to try and justify the bailey, which is similar but way less easily defended.

Here is an example; It’s important to be tolerant of other people’s cultures which is why we should tolerate nazis.

The Motte: tolerance is generally considered to be a good thing.

The Bailey: Tolerating a racism ideology is not easily defended.

So the Motte here would be; we need to approach these people with respect and understanding as we should most people.

but that’s not something the anti-trans movement event accepts. You and I may agree it’s modest and easily defendable, but a lot of people don’t.

So we aren’t even getting to “the bailey.”

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So the Motte here would be; we need to approach these people with respect and understanding as we should most people.

but that’s not something the anti-trans movement event accepts.

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You are wrong about the core trans issue and what it means. Here's the problem, and one of the reasons the trans issue is such a landmine...

Your definition of "respect and understanding" is adhering to all of the trans identity beliefs - namely making sure that anyone who believes they are of another gender can force other people to accept that, believe that and communicate that.

The anti-trans idea of "respect and understanding" is that they can call themselves whatever they want, they do whatever they want behind closed doors, they can even dress however they want - but people are not going to accept the trans person's worldview as their own. That's not their job, and that's not required to be an "accepting" person. People can respect them, can be nice and kind, and be open to a conversation, but people are not going to adopt their view. That's unfair to expect people to do. They are free to believe whatever they want about themselves, but they cannot force that view on others.

Now, are there always exceptions of people on both sides who are more extreme - sure. But the general trans movement want people to accept the reality of its conflicted denizens and that's unfair.

And this why enforcing this worldview in art is just wrong.

Now, the kids conversation - that's different and it can be much more sinister from the trans side.

Now we are in political territory I know.

Why must I use incorrect pronouns and why is participating in that fantasy a sign of respect?

I don’t respect people that dress in furrie bullshite and I don’t respect men dead set on peeing with little girls.

They don’t deserve respect.

What name?

In a business setting? The name on their name tag.

In a personal setting the name they told me. I wouldn’t know any other name to call the mentally ill person. I’d just been keenly aware that wasn’t their given name.

Again, men that want to pee with little girls deserve zero respect. None.

I’m not friends with my friend’s kids.

I’d sympathize with my friend for his troubles with his kid though.

None of my friends would require me to participate in such a fantasy world either.

What if a unicorn crashed into my living room. Hypotheticals will get us nowhere.

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I’m dead set on using the appropriate bathroom and not peeing with women and little girls.

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so you would not say your main focus is peeing with little boys.

ok so it’s ok if they look female enough to not freak out women.

Or what about trans men? Are they going to freak women out when they walk in with a full beard?

What about biological
women who just look manly. Where should they pee to not creep people out.

Or is the solution everyone mind their own fricking business in the bathroom.

Maybe doors that don’t have huge gaps in them.

But in know your dead set on peeing with little boys and guys in dresses.