re: Star Wars 'The Last Jedi' Tomatometer Watch - 95%

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nothing happens between escaping from jabba's palace and the final confrontation

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Disagree. Luke learns the last bits of information he needs before confronting his father, Han and Lando have a possible goodbye moment, Luke and Leia finally realize they're siblings, the speeder bike chase is awesome.

The movie I've always wanted to see but will never get the chance is the Shadows of the Empire timeframe between Empire and Jedi.

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Luke learns the last bits of information he needs before confronting his father

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I don't think that was the reason for that, it was more to wrap up the "there is another" mystery from empire and end the love triangle...even though han is crazy jealous of luke the whole movie

it was also just lazy exposition, and for some reason ghost obi wan needs to take a seat also, "from a certain point of view" was lazy...obi wan is a good guy. good guys don't lie even for a good reason.

but even so, that's not a lot going on and we're talking about at least an hour of the movie.

I just think it's a flat movie. I don't feel anything when I watch it

Ewoks like jar jar are an easy scapegoat. You can have Ewoks in the movie and still make an awesome movie

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I'll be sound as a pound. just heavy exposition and gag humor was one of the things I didn't like about TFA

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I agree with you here, and apparently TLJ has some cringe worthy jokes as well. Basically, what you see in the MCU is what they're doing with Star Wars.

Yeah, but it’s cringe in those movies but in a movie like Star Wars it wrecks the tone

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Jedi is so far superior to TFA, good lord

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Agreed.

I’ve never really understood the hate for ROTJ, which seems to have been exacerbated in the wake of TFA. Jedi is a superior film to TFA, and I’m not a TFA hater though I do think it’s given a pass for its flaws purely because of nostalgia and the fact that it had an incredibly low bar set by the prequel trilogy.

For every gripe about Ewoks and Death Star II in ROTJ, there’s a legitimate gripe to be made about Rathtars and Starkiller Base in TFA. The entire Rathtar sequence in TFA was empty calories and unnecessary.

Palpatine > Snoke
Vader > Ren
Young Luke > Rey
Lando > Finn/Poe
Jabba > fat parts buyer on Jakku
Boba Fett > Phasma
Luke/Vader fight > Rey/Kylo fight
Ewoks > Rathtars
Reveal of Leia as Luke’s sister > Reveal of Kylo Ren as Ben Solo
Vader’s unmasking > Ren’s unmasking

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if you take out the Ewoks, there's not much to NOT like

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It's pretty disjointed. Jabba's Palace is like it's own separate story. I think it's pretty clear that Lucas ran out of story to tell but still had a huge ending planned for Luke and Vader. So Lucas stuck Jabba's Palace on the front end and then recycled the Death Star storyline to fill in the gaps.

Also, clearly, he tried to match the plot twist of Empire by forcing the "Leia is the twin sister" narrative which doesn't work.

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Most of the exposition in TFA was bad because it was the new characters learning what we already know. The entire scene with Rey and Finn when they meet Han...terrible

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Truly awful. "You're Han Solo?!" "This is the Millennium Falcon?!" "That's Chewbacca?!" "You knew Luke Skywalker?!" "This is a galaxy far, far away?!"

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People tell those types of lies all the time to protect people who aren't ready for the truth, just like Luke wasn't in ANH.

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what I mean is there's an unwillingness to complicate obi wan in any way. he can't say "look, i'm sorry I lied, BUT"

no he has to say "I didn't lie, see from a certain point of view I'm telling the truth

it's like you said. people lie like that all of the time, it's relatable, it's human. "from a certain point of view sounds like a politician trying to navigate his way out of stepping in it...and not well