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re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***

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Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:07 pm to
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They’ve been breaking the laws of nature since 1977. This is nothing new


Dont' think they ever did something as dumb and clearly unexplainable as having to "drop" bombs in outer space.
Posted by DelU249
Austria
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:08 pm to
That’s what people don’t get

You can bend the rules of reality but if you do it too much or go too far, it breaks the movie

Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:09 pm to
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Dont' think they ever did something as dumb and clearly unexplainable as having to "drop" bombs in outer space.



You can at least make some sort of stupid argument that they were magnetic. I don't see how you can possibly do the same for the chase sequence. It's as nonsensical as the chase scene from Attack of the Clones: Plinkett's review of the sequence
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 1:11 pm
Posted by LesMiles BFF
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:12 pm to
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Dont' think they ever did something as dumb and clearly unexplainable as having to "drop" bombs in outer space.


They have swords made of light.

Let’s just turn the hate knob from 11 down to 5 because I can’t have another argument like the time I had to explain to my mom that it doesn’t matter that an Xwing couldn’t maneuver in space like they did in the trench run because the movie was just cool as shite.
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:15 pm to
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Come on dude. You can’t complain about Star War’s physics. They’ve been breaking the laws of nature since 1977. This is nothing new.
I know, but this one just seemed over the top with it. I could see an explanation of shops generating their own gravitational field (in the EU/video games they had shops that were gravity wells that could keep opposing ships from jumping to hyperspace) but being able to breathe is the vacuum of space, not floating around in the bomb bay after the bomber has been damaged, the pinwheeling TIE in TFA making atmospheric interface with no issues just really stretches that suspension of disbelief.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:17 pm to
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You can at least make some sort of stupid argument that they were magnetic


I dont' think you could even make that argument. magnetic to one ship but not another?

So one ship of the bombs was enough to blow up that huge ship, but when the other 8 blew up before dropping their load, they just had little explosions? Why'd you even bring that many ships full of bombs if one of them was all that was needed?
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:20 pm to
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I dont' think you could even make that argument. magnetic to one ship but not another?



Yeah, that's why I added stupid.
Posted by LesMiles BFF
Lafayette
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:21 pm to
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one ship of the bombs was enough to blow up that huge ship, but when the other 8 blew up before dropping their load, they just had little explosions? Why'd you even bring that many ships full of bombs if one of them was all that was needed?


The dreadnaught (sp?) sure did go down easy. All it takes is one bomber. One REALLY slow bomber. I mean, give that thing a second engine or something and maybe a shield or two.

The Falcon took more laser blasts while fleeing the Death Star than those bombers took before they blew up like the Hindenburg.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:27 pm to
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I dont' think you could even make that argument. magnetic to one ship but not another?



I mean non-ferrous materials do exist. Maybe that explains why those bombers were 40 times slower than anything else on the battlefield?

I am going out of my way to try and explain it, but I would rather complain about other parts of the movie rather than space physics which have never been good in Star Wars.
This post was edited on 12/18/17 at 1:29 pm
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:35 pm to
I totally understand why they have to pretend (or explain somehow) why the ships have gravity in space, or why x-wings and such behave the same aerodynamically in atmosphere as they do in space, or why there are sounds and fires... but a WWII style gravity-dependent bombing run? In space? Come the frick on. And it wasn't even necessary, there were all sorts of ways to have that battle play out without the absurd bombing run.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:37 pm to
I’m not saying you are wrong. Especially considering any form of magnetic accelerator should be able to lob a bomb a while he’ll of a lot farther than the 40 feet or whatever they were doing.
Posted by Josh Fenderman
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:48 pm to
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The total disregard for basic principles of outer space. Shops turning on a dime without any means of retro thruster. The lack of weightlessness at anytime. No atmospheric interaction when landing on a planet (that really struck me on a TFA rewatch Friday when Finn/Poe should have burned up as the TIE Fighter spiraled into Jakku's atmosphere).

I can't understand why this keeps getting brought up. Since when do we bother worrying about the physics in Star Wars? If we really wanted to, we could've been nitpicking this stuff since '77
Posted by TigerinOkieHell
Oklahoma City
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:49 pm to
Maybe this already got discussed but I have to ask.

So the three ships are running from the First Order the whole movie, and we lose two as they run out of fuel and we’re told no one can jump because they’re being tracked by.

Well then later we find out they know they were just tracking the big ship and they were stalling to launch the transports or whatever.

So if that was the case couldn’t they have told the other two ships hey guys go ahead and jump to other systems instead of just dieing?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:52 pm to
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I can't understand why this keeps getting brought up. Since when do we bother worrying about the physics in Star Wars? If we really wanted to, we could've been nitpicking this stuff since '77



But the chase scene also requires you to throw Star Wars logic out the window. They really travel the exact same speed? Am I supposed to believe that a franchise that has gone out of its way talking about the speed of ships that they're the exact same? Or how about one of the star destroyers go ahead and block them off? The movie itself establishes that TIE Fighters are quick enough to catch up, and they blow up any ship they can use to combat them. Am I really supposed to believe that they wouldn't have sent out more TIE Fighters to bring them down?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:52 pm to
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So if that was the case couldn’t they have told the other two ships hey guys go ahead and jump to other systems instead of just dieing?



The First Order had a few ships to be fair that could split off from the group.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:54 pm to
Well obviously Finn and Rose (a janitor and a low level mechanic) work out the entire details of hyperspace tracking. Then instead of going and telling command about the details and making a coherent plan, they embark on a stupid half-cocked plan to short circuit the thing.

All of this despite the fact that the tracking makes no a shred of sense in the first place.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:54 pm to
This forum could easily have assembled a team of writers to create a comprehensive, serious movie that respected the past, built on that and moved this trilogy forward. The writers here just made a mess of it.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:55 pm to
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This forum could easily have assembled a team of writers to create a comprehensive, serious movie that respected the past, built on that and moved this trilogy forward. The writers here just made a mess of it.



This board without question could have done it better. We have mostly reached a consensus on what it should have been.
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:58 pm to
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Well obviously Finn and Rose (a janitor and a low level mechanic) work out the entire details of hyperspace tracking


Let's not forget that apparently Rose can just fly things in combat as well. That makes sense.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:59 pm to
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Let's not forget that apparently Rose can just fly things in combat as well. That makes sense.



And Finn can't fly either. They made a point of showing that in TFA, but Rian just didn't take anything from TFA into account.
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