re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***

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Only women can be calm and rational. All men are driven by power and can’t control themselves. That’s what we learned today.

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The first 30 minutes it was so obnoxious you could've mistook it for satire.

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All of that also makes the movie kinda shitty too.

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I think the studio took a lot of the criticism of TFA to heart. People seemed to mostly criticize that it was too similar to the originals and too predictable.

In this movie, they went to great lengths to torpedo established Star Wars tropes. That's going to be controversial. It's high risk/potentially high reward. I think some of those risks really paid off big (everything involving Luke sans him being a force ghost rather than present in person). Some of those risks seem a little unnecessary and weird (Leah flying, purple haired Admiral refusing to tell Poe the plan, etc).

It's a tight rope these directors are walking. Too similar and they get crucified for being unoriginal. Too outside of the box and it gets criticized for "not feeling like a Star Wars movie" and "sh#@ting all over the franchise". I think some of that turnabout was successful, but some of it may have been an overreaction. It results in a movie that's very uneven. Some plot lines are brilliant. Some plot lines seem really questionable. Some characters seem superfluous.

What the movie does really well is subvert your expectations and constantly keep you guessing. Every time you think you know exactly where this is going, it throws you a curve. Some liked that, some didn't.

It was shite storytelling man. The 45 minutes of Finn/Asian chick were completely irrelevant. I still don't even know why Finn is in the movie. I don't even mind the direction the Luke/Rey/Ren plot is going. It could be good. The basically wrote Poe out of any meaningful role in the story. "Oh look, here's this reckless fighter pilot that always fricks up and can't be trusted."

I walked away from the movie not know what story they are trying to tell and it barely even ties into TFA if at all. Why spend an movie introducing new characters and storylines and then completely abandon them for the second iteration?

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What the movie does really well is subvert your expectations and constantly keep you guessing. Every time you think you know exactly where this is going, it throws you a curve.

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For what purpose? What was the point of TFA if the second movie was just going to go off in it's own random direction? This movie was complete shite from a storytelling point of view.

It sucks when the unexpected, welcome parts are overshadowed by useless, cringeworthy missions.

Josh Trank, Lord and Miller, Treverrow, Rian Johnson. Kathleen Kennedy is a great judge of talent. She's the worst thing to happen to Star Wars.

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She asked him to put a shirt on? Who writes this shite?

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She hated him til that scene, after she tries to save him. Just sayin'....it works on tinder

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while the Finn mission proved to be unnecessary (because they failed and the Admiral was holding her cards stupid close to the vest),

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Again, bad storytelling.

Will we ever see X-Wings again? They don't have any more ships and I doubt the New Republic flies them. The ending where they called for help reminded me of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.

It wasn’t. Just like nothing in TFA was important.

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Just like nothing in TFA was important.

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Thanks to The Last Jedi that is most definitely true.