re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***

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There was not the first thing wrong about that movie, outside all that cute hokey humor they could do without. This country is full of pussies just looking for outrage everywhere they can. It's just a fricking Star Wars movie, nothing more or less.

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Ok, here's my response to that sentiment...

"just a fricking Star Wars movie", as you put it, has changed over the years to what it's become now.

Star Wars was a SF action/adventure fantasy, that made Harrison Ford an icon.
It appealed to the same crowd that likes, say, football or basketball. Guys, from 10 to whatever. It wasn't comparable to a random game, it was like watching your team make a deep playoff run or winning the title. Star Wars sticks with you the way the Bradshaw years and Superbowl wins sticks with old Steelers fans.

That's why I liked it then, and why it has stuck with me as I've grown. Just as there's always time for a Saints or Tigers game, there's always time for a good honest fantasy adventure full of action.

TLJ didn't fill that spot for me. it doesn't appeal on the same angles. It wasn't really much fun, and beyond that, it tore down some of the stuff I liked about the series. It inserted some things I don't like into the series.

The film critics liked TLJ by about 50 percentage points more than the general public. People have made arguments about how this was the smartest Star Wars and the critics are just terrible people for one of a dozen reasons.

There isn't a much more arrogant POV than the idea that other people don't have the right to think differently or speak their mind.

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he film critics liked TLJ by about 50 percentage points more than the general public. People have made arguments about how this was the smartest Star Wars and the critics are just terrible people for one of a dozen reasons.

There isn't a much more arrogant POV than the idea that other people don't have the right to think differently or speak their mind.

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There's isn't much, but there is at least one POV that is MORE arrogant, and that's the one that states that people who don't like the movie don't get how "smart" it is.

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hyper critical self important wanna be movie critics

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I'm a fat idiot on my couch.

I've watched Movie 43 about a hundred times. I love it. I can recite The New Guy from memory. I've watched the Chronicles of Riddick more than I care to admit. I loved the fast and the furious franchise and I'll watch any movie with Nick Cage in it. I own The Last Samurai on Blu ray and I watch it all the time.

I'm hardly a movie snob. In fact, I probably the opposite. I love shitty movies. I can overlook a ton of flaws of the movie is fun of action packed or well directed or scripted or acted or all kinds of reasons.

I'm not a movie snob. But I do understand basic story telling, plot structure, and character development. The Last Jedi fails at all three of those. And it's inexcusable. It's not even subtle. The movie spectacularly failed at them. And the director in every interview he's given seems to not only not give a shite, but he did alot of it on purpose.

The basic fundamental problems it has are solved in high school creative writing classes. For a billion dollar tent pole franchise project from a respected studio it's absolutely inexcusable.

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I’d like to hear what you think of it without putting your nerd anger aside

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I'd like to tell you. But I don't want carpal tunnel syndrome.

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you articulate it without bringing up the obvious SJW agenda or slapstick humor

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I tried to take out the obvious triggers for people. The SJW stuff, the star wars fanboy in me, the humor. People seem to latch onto that and then discredit what the actual criticisms are. I had another entire post where I analyzed the problems with the individual characters. I'll see of I can find it.

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I thought TLJ was a very well made movie.

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Who was the protagonist? Who's the antagonist? This is amateur shite. It's not like he's making Dunkirk or 2001. Any script supervisor should have thrown that back in his face immediately.

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I think that under normal circumstances, most audiences would have liked the film to, but for a franchise like Star Wars, it's an entirely different beast. Star Wars fans go into these films with all sorts of pre-conceived notions and expectations.

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Those preconceived notions are: "Please don't tell me all the previous films and their morals are worthless". That's really it.

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Yes, you can nitpick plotholes in this film to death, but I honestly didn't find this movie's plotholes as offensive as those in TFA.

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What plot hole in TFA? Them seeing Starkiller Base destroy planets light years away? Rey mastering the Force so quickly? TLJ is a far worse offender on this point. The whole chase sequence has 10 times the plot holes as TFA does as a whole.

I was just thinking of two great movies on the top of my head that didn't have or need a main character. But 99.9% of the time it is necessary.

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