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re: Star Wars 8: Will Hayden Christensen Return as Darth Vader?
Posted on 9/22/15 at 4:36 pm to boXerrumble
Posted on 9/22/15 at 4:36 pm to boXerrumble
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Just make the Force Unleashed video game into a movie.
I fricking hated the force unleashed story. It was a lazy bastardization.
As to whether they should ignore the prequels. I will say this. The three films were bad. They were bad because they were terribly executed in 100 different ways. They don't work. But some of the supporting stuff has been very good. The show the clone wars. Many of the books. Lots of character development of original trilogy characters in the expanded universe.
I wouldn't mind a complete reimagining of episodes 1-3 for an intelligent audience that doesn't have to be catered too with silly cgi and unrealistic and stupid looking duels.
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:20 pm to SoDakHawk
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All the ingredients that led to Anakin's downfall were there and are fine IMO. Once the Dark Side took him over he was powerless to control it. He said as much repeatedly to Luke in that he doesn't know the power of the Dark Side.
My point is him falling for the dark side doesn't make sense, especially in the context that Obi Wan put it. He goes from being conflicted to butchering children within the hour. At least give him someone to kill who he has a legit beef with at first, and then move onto more innocent victims.
And Vader saying this repeatably to Luke kind of confirms to me who Vader once was: someone completely entranced by power and control. That is why I think he should have joined the Jedi in the first place to make himself more powerful, with Obi Wan letting his friendship with Anakin get in the way of seeing why Anakin actually wanted to be a Jedi. I think Vader thought the Jedi were all about power, but were too weak to know what to do with it once they had it. He can not fathom how someone could not be entranced by power. It is only at the end of his life does he truly understand this.
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The only thing that snapped him out of it in the end was the thing that led him down the path to the Dark Side to begin with, love. He finally realized that it was Palpatine who had manipulated him all along and cost him the people he loved and now he was going to kill his son, the only one since he turned who ever showed any love towards him. Luke saved him by showing him love.
If he only realized this the second the Emperor starts killing Luke, he is very stupid. He should have realized this the second he ended up in that suit, if not earlier. Vader is clearly plotting against him in "The Empire Strikes Back", and not shockingly, in the prequels it shows that he has been plotting against him since the beginning of being his apprentice. I just think Vader should have been openly abused by the Emperor the second he became his apprentice, and they both knew the only reason Vader doesn't kill him is that he didn't have the capabilities and didn't get all the information on the Force that he needed to kill him. That's a major reason why he wants Luke in order to kill the Emperor.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 9:31 pm to LSUlefty
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All the actors in the prequels sucked anyway
Typically PT bashing response. Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Christopher Lee, and Ian McDiarmiad did not suck.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 9:39 pm to athenslife101
The first Force Unleashed story was fine.
The sequel story was fricking awful.
The sequel story was fricking awful.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 9:53 pm to JabarkusRussell
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This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:07 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Prequel Trilogy. And the reason The Force Unleashed 2 sucked can be found here. LINK
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:08 pm to JabarkusRussell
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Liam Neeson,
Worthless in it. Could have removed him.
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Ewan McGregor,
Perfect casting
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Christopher Lee,
Worthless again. Should have just been Darth Maul the entire prequel trilogy.
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Ian McDiarmiad did not suck.
Best actor to have ever been in Star Wars. He was just great. I think one thing that Lucas planned on was doing the prequels like 20 years later, so he cast a guy in his 30s to portray the Emperor so it would perfectly segway into it.
And for Lee and Neeson, they didn't put forth bad performances, they were just bland characters, and that would be hard for any actor to do effectively. Obi Wan and the Emperor had a lot more to work with. Although Portman didn't really do anything effectively, despite being typically a good actress.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:09 pm to JabarkusRussell
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:11 pm to RLDSC FAN
It would make more sense for them to bring back Ewen McGregor.
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:14 pm to Bench McElroy
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This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:21 pm to JabarkusRussell
You are confusing the worthiness of a character with the acting talents of the actors. Big difference.
Terrible actress. I think she was worse than Hayden.
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Portman didn't really do anything effectively, despite being typically a good actress.
Terrible actress. I think she was worse than Hayden.This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:25 pm to JabarkusRussell
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You are confusing the worthiness of a character with the acting talents of the actors. Big difference.
I gave them benefit of the doubt that they were good actors, but I don't think Lee and Neeson's performances were necessarily good. Granted, it would have taken Peter O'Toole to really make them work, but can't blame them.
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Terrible actress. I think she was worse than Hayden.
It's debatable she may have put forth a worse performance than he did.
Posted on 9/23/15 at 12:09 am to OMLandshark
"You killed younglings?" Gulp sound. "Anakin, you're breaking my heart."
Posted on 9/23/15 at 8:45 am to JabarkusRussell
Hayden sleepwalked his way through that dialogue. None of the actors aside from Ian McDiarmid, Frank Oz, and Liam Neeson put on a decent performance, but Hayden's was the worst.
Posted on 9/23/15 at 8:54 am to JabarkusRussell
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"You killed younglings?" Gulp sound. "Anakin, you're breaking my heart."
A this point I was like "this bad writing of movie is breaking my heart" because there was no character development that would have lead you to believe he was capable of mass murder until he just up and did it. The guy goes from disgruntled to Adam Lanza in zero screen time.
Posted on 9/23/15 at 9:14 am to BulldogXero
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This post was edited on 9/28/15 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 9/23/15 at 11:17 am to StrongBackWeakMind
He sucked arse no doubt but even Natalie Portman was horrible at times in the prequels. Those actors just didn't have a lot to work with.
Posted on 9/23/15 at 12:06 pm to Cooter Davenport
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because there was no character development that would have lead you to believe he was capable of mass murder until he just up and did it
At the end of Jedi at Vader's death you could garner sympathy for him but now knowing he mass murdered "younglings" what redeeming quality is there of Vader to move us to sympathize his plight much less including him in the Jedi ghost circle...
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Posted on 9/23/15 at 2:28 pm to RLDSC FAN
Interesting. I read an off-the-wall theory on the overarching plot of this trilogy awhile back. I didn't give it much thought but this story lends some credence to the idea.
Posted on 9/23/15 at 4:52 pm to Napoleon
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Besides the abortion that was the Phantom Menance the one thing that got me is how Anakin went to go arrest the Emperor and then just by being told a few things, not an hour later was hacking little kids to pieces. I'm sorry but the path from Jedi to Sith for Vader was done way too quickly and it really bothced the central point of the story.
The fact is Phantom Menace never should've existed. That whole fvcking disaster of a movie was created solely so Lucas could create his midyclorians bullshite.
The prequels shoulda started around the time of Episode 2 and Episode 3 should have been split into two. Like you mentioned, the pacing and "the turning of Anakin" in Episode 3 is laughable at best.
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