Star Trek: Discovery

I thought Discovery was fantastic.

Star Trek

Deep Space 9

Enterprise very underrated

Voyager


Next Generation

Discovery the worst ever and never should have made it to the screen.

Have not seen Picard yet.

JJ Trek was passably good and Justin Lin made a fun last film.

Discovery takes all the dumb JJ shite, though, but ramps it up by a million. I’ve only seen clips and watched The Critical Drinker hammer this show... but that was enough to figure out Michael is the worst fricking Trek character in history.

The only real problem with Discovery's first season is that it's story-telling is vastly different than previous Trek series.

In previous series you had the Captain as the main character but the supporting crew and their stories were maybe a half-step behind in importance. While Trek took on social issues, it did so at a very high level without brutally and blatantly beating the viewer over the head with SJW-ism.

Discovery departs from that mold. Instead we have the main character not being the Captain but rather being a subordinate and outsider while having a supporting cast of characters who rank both above and below her whom the viewer feels little to no connection with. No one watches Star Trek for a sense of isolation. Not only that but it seems like she cries in almost every fricking episode.

The stories of the supporting characters aren't all that endearing either and the series gets waaaaaaay too far into their personal lives and emotional issues far too quickly. I could do without Tilly's constant blathering as well as the ship's doctor's gay relationship. No one watches Star Trek for the romance nor love issues, whether gay or straight, so leave that shite out (or at least just touch on it briefly and then move on).

With all that said, Discovery's first season is a great Trek story but it was told in a non-Trek way. It's a little slow in the beginning but by about mid-season it really starts cooking and has some great swerves. By the end of the first season you realize why at least some of the story-telling was done the way it was but not all of it.

I didn't care for the 2nd season, primarily because of relying on TOS characters too much. How they ended it though with why Discovery (and it's incredibly drive tech) has never been heard of was a smart turn. I did, however, prefer the old lesbian engineer chick to the guy. While a bit flat on personality her IDGAF-ness is a MUCH-needed counter-balance to the over-emotionality of damned near every other character.

As to Picard...

As someone said in another thread, Picard should be renamed to Picardians of the Galaxy because it felt far more like that than a Star Trek series. The biggest issue here is that they are taking Rodenberry's bright, shiny, hopeful and optimistic Starfleet and turning it into a fricking Jason Bourne story.

This Bourne-ing could also be said of Discovery but I see that as a lesser issue due to it being a prequel series during the re-ignition of Federation/Klingon animosities and because they could be using that as a platform to "clean up" Starfleet by the time the TOS was supposed to start. Granted, it's probably not going to go that way but in the theme of Rodenberry I am being optimistic about the future.

Don't get me wrong, a darker tone isn't always bad. I actually liked the darker tone of DS9 and the darker tone of the Changelings infiltrating Starfleet storyline, but the Changelings were a finite story where Starfleet was still good but just naive. Where we're at now is with Starfleet being far more grey and that ultimately conflicts with the vision Rodenberry had of a future where humanity had learned its lessons and was well above what we saw in Picard (and this doesn't even begin to get into the whole complete about-face that had to happen within the Federation to get them to that point).

No way is Discovery better than DS9

You should do yourself a favor and check out RLM's treatment of Discovery and Picard.

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No way is Discovery better than DS9

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Yeah, I enjoy Discovery quite a bit, but it is not even close to DS9.

The first season of Discovery takes a little bit to get going but is a really good storyline. How they fixed the historical/timeline issues in the second season was well done as well.

I can see hardcore Star Trek fans not liking it though, as it's more like the reboot trek than the old stuff. It's at least a solid series taken on it's own though.

Picard is just straight garbage, I stopped watching that after 5 episodes.

I like anything Star Trek. Not the best series but I enjoyed it and would watch it again.

Production is top notch

Discovery is supposed to be very good. It’s all I’ve ever heard from those who watched it, and only a couple were trekkies.

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Does ANYONE like this shitshow?

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Is Picard as bad as Discovery?

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If that's your reaction to Discovery, you should stop now and avoid anything else Star Trek on CBS All Access.