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re: Sons of Anarchy - Season 4 Thread

Posted on 11/30/11 at 7:03 am to
Posted by RunningHeel
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Posted on 11/30/11 at 7:03 am to
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Did Tara read the letters? Does she know? Any other way it comes back on Gemma?


Yes, she is using it as leverage so she can get Jax out of Charming if Gemma tries to convince him to stay. It will be a battle for Jax's soul between Tara & Gemma after Clay is dead

And Tig loves Clay a little too much
Posted by RunningHeel
Richmond
Member since Mar 2011
881 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 7:09 am to
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"He's gotta die. Like A LOT."


For someone who doesn't have many lines he nailed that one, had me rolling

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Also, is Romeo a Fed? What's with him saying Otto didn't flip when we saw Otto flip?


I'm starting to think maybe Potter isn't who he says he is. They have built him up as sort of a mystery. Would explain why Romeo's intel has no clue what is about to go down
Posted by MrPappagiorgio
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2009
41125 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 8:05 am to
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Would explain why Romeo's intel has no clue what is about to go down


Romeo's crew has no idea whats about to go down becuase Otto didnt give up where the meet was... that was Juice.
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25716 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 8:40 am to
I don't think they were worried that Otto knew about the meet, but that he sold someone out who did know about the meet (Bobby). I suppose that still wouldn't come back on them if Romeo's informant told them that neither Otto nor Bobby had ratted about the meet, and failed to check on information about Juice.

I agree about Potter. There's something there, but couldn't for the life of me tell you what it is. I think I hate him more than I did Stahl. Stahl was a bitch and didn't wanna hide it. Potter's so smug, even to those helping him.
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
10721 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 9:19 am to
The problem with SOA, and its been evident since the beginning, is that Sutter is a downright lazy writer. He continually creates scenes that play out and then fade away without repercussions. In last night's episode the club is involved in a shootout on a California highway with literally hundreds of eyewitnesses and yet when they return to the club its like nothing had happened. IRL there would have been three SWAT teams surrounding their compound within the hour. This kind of BS has been a mainstay with this show.

The whole "where's Bobby" thing is equally ridiculous. He wasn't picked up and sent to prison in Venezuela. He's in a U.S. jail where he has the right to legal council which would have put him on a phone within minutes of being arrested. Not to mention he would have wanted to let the club know Otto had rolled on them. None of that is playing out true to life.

And why ID Clays shooters as black? You would think they would want to provide as little detail as possible for the police to follow up on. But Sutter needed to create a scene and this was a way to do it regardless of how dumb it was.

I'm watching to see how this all plays out and overall the plot is solid but damn if the writing doesn't provide a "WTF" scene every week.

Posted by Akit1
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2006
8338 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 9:34 am to
Couldn't agree more JayQuest. Just so over the top. There's a shootout on the highway, a girl is run over and well they just show back up at the club like nothing ever happened. Then you have Gemma who seems to change her damn mind every 2 seconds on what should happen to Clay.

I thought it was extremely cheesy how they all sat around saying, "Clay must die." And then Tara says this is how you do it.

They screwed up by bringing this Clay should die scenario into the show way too early. For 4-5 episodes we have been waiting for the climatic ending and well now it's been dragged on far too long.
Posted by Jay Quest
Once removed from Massachusetts
Member since Nov 2009
10721 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 9:45 am to
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I thought it was extremely cheesy how they all sat around saying, "Clay must die."

You're right. That scene was almost laughable.

"I want to start a new life with you Jax but before we do I think you should go and commit felony murder and I'll wait her with fingers crossed so you won't get caught. Because I really want to get away from this destructive life but only after our last conspiratorial murder together."
Posted by HeadChange
Abort gay babies
Member since May 2009
43925 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:16 am to
I'm still laughing at the black ops shoot out with the other cartel and the rocket launchers and mine fields and shite.
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
8149 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 10:35 am to
This show is what it is...an action with a little drama that FX does well with (think the Shield). I enjoy it for what it is, but it's not in the same league as Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones, The Wire, etc.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 1:48 pm to
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damn if the writing doesn't provide a "WTF" scene every week.


Agreed. I checked out when Juice tried to hang himself and the branch broke. How trite was that while being unneccessary.

I still watch but with much less anticipation than I had before.
Posted by tims0912367
Member since Apr 2009
2598 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 1:57 pm to
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Agreed. I checked out when Juice tried to hang himself and the branch broke. How trite was that while being unneccessary.



After seeing that, all I could do was disgustedly say, "Jesus Christ". And then I walked off, swinging my arms like George Jefferson.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
81644 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 1:57 pm to
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I'm still laughing at the black ops shoot out with the other cartel and the rocket launchers and mine fields and shite.


how about the 2-3 ambushes that David Acevedo set up with his special forces training where they all hide behind a tree or in a born in one big huddle then the other cartel shockingly is able to outgun them and get away.
Posted by Smokedawg
Finding Lennay Kekua
Member since Dec 2008
5661 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:11 pm to
I hope next weeks episode finishes alot of the "WTF" plots and starts fresh and simple next season.
Posted by HeadChange
Abort gay babies
Member since May 2009
43925 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 2:52 pm to
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how about the 2-3 ambushes that David Acevedo set up with his special forces training where they all hide behind a tree or in a born in one big huddle then the other cartel shockingly is able to outgun them and get away.



Yeah, that guy was supposed to be some kind of an ex-military intelligence big shot. The barn strategy was the best.
Posted by LewDawg
Member since May 2009
77516 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 3:00 pm to
Awesome first part of the series finale IMO
Posted by Slickback
Deer Stand
Member since Mar 2008
28144 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 4:55 pm to
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Jay Quest


I completely agree with you on what you said. That is keeping this "very good" show from being "great."

It is still entertaining, so I'll continue to watch and not analyze it too much.


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In last night's episode the club is involved in a shootout on a California highway with literally hundreds of eyewitnesses and yet when they return to the club its like nothing had happened


SEVERAL instances like this. All the shootings, and they are rarely investigated or taken in. Jax stole a hearse and then a MC in the last episode, fired an illegal gun in a park at a van (which his fiance was in), Bobby and Tig shot the porn director in the last episode and they were never questioned although it was clear the club was to blame. I could go on and on.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 5:59 pm to
This is getting rediculous. I need SOME realism in my TV. I'm ready for True Blood to start back up.......
Posted by Flamefighter
Center Field
Member since Dec 2007
7629 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 6:54 pm to
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Posted by Flamefighter
Center Field
Member since Dec 2007
7629 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 6:57 pm to
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SEVERAL instances like this. All the shootings, and they are rarely investigated or taken in. Jax stole a hearse and then a MC in the last episode, fired an illegal gun in a park at a van (which his fiance was in), Bobby and Tig shot the porn director in the last episode and they were never questioned although it was clear the club was to blame. I could go on and on.



I always thought if they "closed" the holes, the show could be so much better. That being said, (I just had a chance to watch it;DVR.) I think Tara will make sure she stays one step ahead of Gemma and this will drag into next season.
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5582 posts
Posted on 11/30/11 at 7:52 pm to
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Also, is Romeo a Fed? What's with him saying Otto didn't flip when we saw Otto flip?



could be easily explained with either...

- Romeo knows otto flipped and is pissed so he setting up samcro.
- potter has a tight lid on the info and romeo's contact doesn't know crap
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