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re: So. I'll just leave this here RE: Captain America:Civil War
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:19 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:19 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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The honest answer is that the only posters here that seem to have had any real issues at all with Civil War were those that defended BvS for weeks on end. I mean, someone can feel free to go back and Venn Diagram that accusation if they want, but I'd be comfortable taking the bet that the VAST majority of all those with issues after watching CW are firmly in the BvS was really good camp.
There's still the chance that the things they like in films were just present in BvS and not in CW. That could be rare as an honest opinion, but I'd never automatically say there was an agenda either (not saying you are, just that the correlation exists so there are a few possibilities.
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You can be damned sure that if BvS had been well received and CW had not been there would be none of this talk of not wanting to compare the two...
Ya think? There would be some major bragging on this from more than a few posters. We'd have a thread titled "Why DC is Awesome and the MCU Sucks Now Because of One Film."
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:27 pm to Freauxzen
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There's still the chance that the things they like in films were just present in BvS and not in CW. That could be rare as an honest opinion, but I'd never automatically say there was an agenda either (not saying you are, just that the correlation exists so there are a few possibilities.
Oh, no doubt. I'm not suggesting that everyone here with sometime negative to say about CW is doing so specifically because they were previously knighting so hard for BvS...just that it's hard not to notice it. It may be exactly as you say, that movie simply had more of what they like and given how different they were in terms of how they each delivered the goods, it would be surprising to find anyone that liked both equally.
I'm not ruling out agendas either...
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Ya think? There would be some major bragging on this from more than a few posters. We'd have a thread titled "Why DC is Awesome and the MCU Sucks Now Because of One Film."
Which is why I'm not ruling out agendas...
But in all seriousness, there really ought to be a new quality thread started specifically to compare the two. It's unusual to have two such movies that are so similar come out so close together...seems like an obvious situation where a comparison of the two is warranted.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 1:31 pm to Freauxzen
Seems like the majority of us enjoyed the previous Marvel films without constantly comparing them to Dark Knight.
I know that BvS and Civil War have similar themes, but it would be nice to be able to discuss the pluses and minuses of Civil War (and it does have both) without being accused of bias based on our finding some enjoyment in BvS.
If folks think that people are criticizing Civil War unfairly, then argue your position with facts on the movie itself instead of reverting to swipes at BvS.
I know that BvS and Civil War have similar themes, but it would be nice to be able to discuss the pluses and minuses of Civil War (and it does have both) without being accused of bias based on our finding some enjoyment in BvS.
If folks think that people are criticizing Civil War unfairly, then argue your position with facts on the movie itself instead of reverting to swipes at BvS.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 2:09 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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If folks think that people are criticizing Civil War unfairly, then argue your position with facts on the movie itself instead of reverting to swipes at BvS.
It's your side that brings that pile of a movie up.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:01 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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I know that BvS and Civil War have similar themes, but it would be nice to be able to discuss the pluses and minuses of Civil War (and it does have both) without being accused of bias based on our finding some enjoyment in BvS.
If folks think that people are criticizing Civil War unfairly, then argue your position with facts on the movie itself instead of reverting to swipes at BvS.
Like I said, it would have been a fairly easy project to have compiled a list of all of those posters who were unrelenting in their defense of BvS and predict their reviews of CW. Almost to a person, those posters who were very high on BvS have been the ones with something negative to say about CW.
Now...as Freaux pointed out...it could be that this simply shows a situation where these movies are so different in the way they get the job done and this appeals to certain groups...so it would stand to reason that if you really like BvS then you'd dislike CW and vice versa. That's plausible. It's also likely that given the ferocity with which that movie was discussed some posters on both sides have now dug their heels in and are either going to defend or trash CW based on their position on BvS.
Who knows...but if anyone didn't not expect just what we have here, they weren't paying attention.
All that being said, I'm still for a thread dedicated to comparing them. These movies will be linked for a very long time given what they were about, when they were released, and if I'm not mistaken based on one of the things you seemed to bring up in the BvS thread...that CW was green lit in response to the BvS movie. Kind of hard not to compare movies that seem like they went out of their way to be compared to each other...
Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:06 pm to LNCHBOX
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It's your side that brings that pile of a movie up.
Hey stalker! I'm going to the Food and Drink Board now. See you there.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:12 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Hey stalker! I'm going to the Food and Drink Board now. See you there.
It's cute that you act like I'm the only person that calls you on your bullshite in here.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:30 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Like I said, it would have been a fairly easy project to have compiled a list of all of those posters who were unrelenting in their defense of BvS and predict their reviews of CW. Almost to a person, those posters who were very high on BvS have been the ones with something negative to say about CW.
Now...as Freaux pointed out...it could be that this simply shows a situation where these movies are so different in the way they get the job done and this appeals to certain groups...so it would stand to reason that if you really like BvS then you'd dislike CW and vice versa. That's plausible. It's also likely that given the ferocity with which that movie was discussed some posters on both sides have now dug their heels in and are either going to defend or trash CW based on their position on BvS.
Who knows...but if anyone didn't not expect just what we have here, they weren't paying attention.
Well said.
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All that being said, I'm still for a thread dedicated to comparing them. These movies will be linked for a very long time given what they were about, when they were released, and if I'm not mistaken based on one of the things you seemed to bring up in the BvS thread...that CW was green lit in response to the BvS movie. Kind of hard not to compare movies that seem like they went out of their way to be compared to each other...
:boom: I said at the time that that, even if true, didn't matter. But the thread was like BvS wins for being first or something. It was an odd thread to bring up right in the middle of negative reactions to BvS. And, as you're pointing out, in retrospect is kind of funny.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:51 pm to EthanL
I too feel that Bucky should have been destroyed for Tony closure. Sure he might be a gun as some people pointed out, but that gun was the one that killed his planet. If a gun that shot my parents was still around I'd melt it down for scrap. Same thing should be apply to bucky, euthanize him.
MArvel is know for their quips, if you were expecting super serious for a marvel movie, Cap movie is as close as you'd get. I mean... look at age of Ultron. It was soo... disappointing. I was expecting Terminator relentlessness, not Raymond Reddington quips.
As for the Super Prison guarded by supers. At this stage in the game, there not less than 10 supers on the U.N side. You have to get Black ops to guard them. Iron Man / Black Widow, Vision is certainly not gonna spend their free time guarding that place. Although under the new U.N regulation I guess they could be made to do so.
As for War Machine, there a reason why the call him War Machine.
Tony also did not get over his parents death, he was however beaten and could not do anything to stop Cap and Bucky from walking away. The Phone call was probably only good once. If Tony used that to lure Cap back under false pretense and failed, than he might not be able to get Cap and friends help if something major hit them since they would ignore Tony calls.
So the cap thing was in case of emergency, break glass type of thing.
As for the Secret Identity, in the COmic books all Avengers take a pay check. Spiderman and street level heroes like him refuse the paycheck and the personal glory that comes with the Avenger life style.
I also like BvS but that battle was one of the most well crafted battle in comic book movie history.
MArvel is know for their quips, if you were expecting super serious for a marvel movie, Cap movie is as close as you'd get. I mean... look at age of Ultron. It was soo... disappointing. I was expecting Terminator relentlessness, not Raymond Reddington quips.
As for the Super Prison guarded by supers. At this stage in the game, there not less than 10 supers on the U.N side. You have to get Black ops to guard them. Iron Man / Black Widow, Vision is certainly not gonna spend their free time guarding that place. Although under the new U.N regulation I guess they could be made to do so.
As for War Machine, there a reason why the call him War Machine.
Tony also did not get over his parents death, he was however beaten and could not do anything to stop Cap and Bucky from walking away. The Phone call was probably only good once. If Tony used that to lure Cap back under false pretense and failed, than he might not be able to get Cap and friends help if something major hit them since they would ignore Tony calls.
So the cap thing was in case of emergency, break glass type of thing.
As for the Secret Identity, in the COmic books all Avengers take a pay check. Spiderman and street level heroes like him refuse the paycheck and the personal glory that comes with the Avenger life style.
I also like BvS but that battle was one of the most well crafted battle in comic book movie history.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:54 pm to EthanL
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Even when Bucky was shown to have murdered the Starks, wouldn't you voluntarily give yourself up out of pure disgust? But what's worse is the Captain fighting for him. This plot line was a joke on its face, it has been, since Bucky's murder tally in the Winter Soldier.
That did bother me, I know he was brainwashed, but who among us would not want to kill a man you saw strangle your mother, and bash in your father's head?
That was rough.
Giant-man/ Ant-man was great. I loved when Tony said "who are you again" to him.
At the end I was hoping for Thor to show up for the rescue.
Interesting that the Civil War isn't resolved.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:56 pm to EthanL
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1 and a half hour of nothing before we got there, and that literally everyone wanted to be a comedian. Even serial killer Bucky.
There was a slow part in the middle for sure. Our girls passed out at that point and we didn't wake them until after the credits (but where kinda miffed at the waste of 3-d Imax tickets.
)Posted on 5/10/16 at 5:02 pm to EthanL
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I like BvS
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It won't have the numbers people will think it should have.
if we're gonna talk about underperforming numbers and all...
Posted on 5/10/16 at 5:59 pm to EthanL
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This post was edited on 5/23/16 at 10:21 am
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