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re: So. I'll just leave this here RE: Captain America:Civil War
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:56 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:56 am to OMLandshark
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Tony Stark had no oversight and unleashed Ultron upon the world who almost caused the Apocalypse. You really don't understand his point?
Not understanding was a bad way to put it, I just disagree with him wholeheartedly. Sure he messed up very badly with Ultron, but having the UN or any government regulate when the Avengers get used is stupid in my opinion
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:09 am to EthanL
Spot on. It was shite.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:09 am to EthanL
Like i said before, awesome action, but the plot is so-so.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:16 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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I agree that Caps never ending defense of Bucky seemed dumb.
you do remember Bucky pulling Cap out of the water in winter soldier basically saving his life right?
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:18 am to FranMully
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The biggest problem with these movies is that there are no stakes whatsoever. At no point do you think any of the characters will die.
Exactly. What kind of a war that has no casualties? Pretty safe war to me. Even Zemo was saved by the man who was trying to get him earlier in the movie.
No fear of death = Nothing to risk = Nothing to cherish.
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These movies are so predictable. Marvel needs to actually do something different for once and at stakes to the story
Would've been awesome if War Machine died and Bucky gets put down at the end. So next movie, anyone can die. Jeez, take a page out of Game of Thrones.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:20 am to CE Tiger
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you do remember Bucky pulling Cap out of the water in winter soldier basically saving his life right?
And their whole friendship from CA:TFA. I thought the common critique of Marvel films is that they're simplistic.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:21 am to PeteRose
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At no point do you think any of the characters will die.
Exactly.
This is just bullshite. If you didn't feel the stakes were that high in the final fight, you must have stopped paying attention to the movie.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:22 am to 3nOut
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literally had no choice in the matter. it's not PTSD. it's 100% mind control. not remotely the same thing.
So what would it take? I get he is mindless. And so Cap defends, even after he kills...
Scenario 1: Aunt May. She wasn't that important to the story
Scenario 2: Tony Stark. Hell he had it coming consumed with vengeance.
Scenario 3: Steve Rogers' girlfriend. What was that all about anyway.
Scenario 4: Falcon
I could do this all day. The defense of Bucky is ridiculous to this storyline. Just dumb. What was hiS penance? 'Lets rip your arm off, freeze you for awhile, and when we finally grow the balls to kill off Cap, you can take his place.'
In fact, every MCU movie here on out we will be waiting with baited breath to see if any of these good guys will die or not. And it will be like a bucket of cold water to the face when it does happen, as we sleepwalk through this stupor of high-stakes beginnings and predictable happy endings
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:23 am to EthanL
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I could do this all day.
No doubt about that. You're just loving all the attention you're getting from being a contrarian. Are your pants around your ankles yet?
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:24 am to EthanL
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In fact, every MCU movie here on out we will be waiting with baited breath to see if any of these good guys will die or not
What consequences are there in BvS? You think Superman is staying dead?
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:32 am to LNCHBOX
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LNCHBOX
No, and BvS is awful anyway. That Martha scene was cringeworthy.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:38 am to EthanL
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So what would it take? I get he is mindless. And so Cap defends, even after he kills...
Scenario 1: Aunt May. She wasn't that important to the story
Scenario 2: Tony Stark. Hell he had it coming consumed with vengeance.
Scenario 3: Steve Rogers' girlfriend. What was that all about anyway.
Scenario 4: Falcon
I could do this all day. The defense of Bucky is ridiculous to this storyline. Just dumb.
I mean what do you want them to do?
Steve's reaction came from two places 1) The Kill on Sight Order for Bucky 2) The Imprisoning of Wanda
It was exactly the fear of what would happen with government interference, happening, ie, they would misuse their power or not approach situations effectively, that Steve Predicted. They weren't doing it to protect, they were doing it to control. Control is Hydra. Control is centralized. Steve believes in the responsibility of the individual, that's important.
So should the Avengers have stood by while Loki took over the world? Or should they have been held accountable for deaths while saving the world? Or, should the situation be approached in a more nuanced state then, "They killed people so they should pay."
And you're talking about governments now trying to deal with things like Legit mind control (taking the world at face value). How do you and should you criminalize a person who is under the control of Jean Grey? Of Wanda? What if Vision fades as a bullet passes through him and it hits an innocent. Is that his fault?
You can't approach these new problems with the same methods so....
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'Lets rip your arm off, freeze you for awhile
Actually makes sense given the situation.
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In fact, every MCU movie here on out we will be waiting with baited breath to see if any of these good guys will die or not.
Congrats to finally understanding film as a pop culture product.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 9:40 am
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:42 am to EthanL
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I like BvS
I was like there must be something wrong with this dude, and then I was like there it is...
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:45 am to LNCHBOX
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This is just bullshite. If you didn't feel the stakes were that high in the final fight, you must have stopped paying attention to the movie.
Oh yeah, i was real nervous. The stakes were so high that all Captain America had to do is to write and send a letter to "patch things up".
If they're not going to kill off a minor character like War Machine, they're not going to kill of a major character. The dots are close together. Just take a pen and connect them.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:49 am to PeteRose
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Oh yeah, i was real nervous. The stakes were so high that all Captain America had to do is to write and send a letter to "patch things up".
That happened during the fight? Hmm, guess you really did stop paying attention.
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If they're not going to kill off a minor character like War Machine, they're not going to kill of a major character.
Guess you missed in Age of Ultron where they did kill a minor character.
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The dots are close together. Just take a pen and connect them.
What major character is dead in the DC universe? And don't be an idiot and say Superman.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:52 am to LNCHBOX
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What major character is dead in the DC universe?
Why does everything have to resort to DC? Most of us agree that BvS sucked. Why can't CW be critiqued without some of you bringing BvS into the discussion?
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:53 am to PeteRose
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This is just bull shite. If you didn't feel the stakes were that high in the final fight, you must have stopped paying attention to the movie.
Oh yeah, i was real nervous. The stakes were so high that all Captain America had to do is to write and send a letter to "patch things up".
This did not patch things up. The only thing that is going to patch things up is a huge threat and that is coming.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:54 am to RLDSC FAN
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Why does everything have to resort to DC?
Probably because the nitpickers keep bringing making the comparison.
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Why can't CW be critiqued without some of you bringing BvS into the discussion?
I didn't bring it here. Take it up with OP.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:58 am to EthanL
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Now here is where we get nitty: This movie had a hard time deciding if it would be a sequel to Winter Soildier or a sequel to AoU. I'm sorry. And because of that, it leaves a lot of characters underdeveloped and a bad taste in your mouth for them.
I look at all of the MCU films basically as equals to each other.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:59 am to LNCHBOX
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I didn't bring it here. Take it up with OP.
Ok, but the poster you last replied to (Pete Rose) has said nothing about BvS. I just keep seeing BvS brought up whenever someone says anything remotely negative about CW. It's ridiculous.
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