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re: Severance Season 2 Discussion (Spoilers)
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:12 pm to drizztiger
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:12 pm to drizztiger
And all this comes down to the McGuffin that is the implant and the device which switches the innies to outies.
Again, Ms Cobel, allegedly the one behind this technology, could have been called upon to explain some things.
Also, had all gone to plan, with Cold Harbor completed, who's to say Lumon doesn't flip a switch and be done with MDR entirely? Rising up, attacking Milchick, killing Drummond AND screwing up Cold Harbor ... I'd have taken my chances outside.
Again, Ms Cobel, allegedly the one behind this technology, could have been called upon to explain some things.
Also, had all gone to plan, with Cold Harbor completed, who's to say Lumon doesn't flip a switch and be done with MDR entirely? Rising up, attacking Milchick, killing Drummond AND screwing up Cold Harbor ... I'd have taken my chances outside.
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 6:15 pm
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Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:17 pm to DarthRebel
quote:I think it's already been confirmed that Irv will continue to be in the show.
Unless there are contract issues for John Turturro, there is zero reason for his storyline to be complete.
Just because he shipped off on the train and told Burt he wouldn't come back due to the current situation doesn't mean circumstances can't change. If Gemma is actually freed, there are going to be many people looking into Lumon and their power to threaten Irv decreases significantly. He already has a lot of research on them and if they're going to be exposed, he easily has a story to tell and doesn't have to stay on the lam.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:17 pm to Stonehog
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The alternative would be to start paying. If the finale had been better more people would keep their subscription going.
That’s quite a take. You think people are going to start paying now just because they’re excited to see season 2 of Severance 12-24 months from now?
Either they’ll find something else to watch on Apple TV+ or they won’t. But anyone keeping an Apple TV+ sub purely to see season 3 of Severance right now is a fricking idiot.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:22 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Wow dude. Do you think these are 5 star Generals planning battles?
They are acting on impulse and survival.
I'm not saying innie Marks plan is great - and have no idea how he plans to continue "innie life" - but it's certainly more instinctual for his innie character than leaving with Gemma. And it also goes back to one of the whole premises of the show - innies making their own choices.
They are acting on impulse and survival.
quote:Yes, go out the building and turn into outie Mark and never have another thought because you no longer exist. Great plan.
I'd have taken my chances outside.
I'm not saying innie Marks plan is great - and have no idea how he plans to continue "innie life" - but it's certainly more instinctual for his innie character than leaving with Gemma. And it also goes back to one of the whole premises of the show - innies making their own choices.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:37 pm to drizztiger
But they WERE planning things out. There was the meeting at the cabin, the predetermined course of action after Cold Harbor to get to the dark hallway and find Gemma, and make it to the stairwell door. There was a leap of faith they KNEW they were going to have to take, and they proceeded all the way until the very end.
Where was Devon and Ms Cobel? Were they delayed? Caught? Or will we find out they were just right outside, waiting for Mark and Gemma?
Where was Devon and Ms Cobel? Were they delayed? Caught? Or will we find out they were just right outside, waiting for Mark and Gemma?
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:43 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:This is my guess, but just a guess.
Or will we find out they were just right outside, waiting for Mark and Gemma?
quote:Until he got to make his own decision. I think foreshadowing was when outie called Helly "Helleny". iMark knows oMark doesn't give a frick about him, and when it's choice time - he does what iMark wants.
There was a leap of faith they KNEW they were going to have to take, and they proceeded all the way until the very end.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 6:54 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
When you say stuff like this:
.. It sounds like you are struggling to accept the idea of the innies and outies being separate people. And yes, it does sound like you aren’t grasping the basic premise of the show.
Calling the Severance chip a MacGuffin is like calling spice a MacGuffin in Dune. Actually, it’s probably worse. More like calling the gates a MacGuffin in Stargate. The way that our memories and life experiences define us, and the metaphysical question of where one consciousness starts and the other begins, is like the entire fricking point of the show.
The entire series is basically a thought experiment in what defines a “person.” As far as any of the innies are concerned, they are a different person sharing a body with their outie.
To explain what? To tell Mark S. that “despite your entire existence telling you otherwise, you aren’t really your own person”? Again.. that’s kind of the point. Nobody had that conversation with him because they know that from his perspective, it’s just not true. It would have backfired.
I’d say Mark S. had a pretty good grasp of who he is given the conversation about reintegration. He realizes, rightfully, that Mark Scout’s lifetime of memories would seriously outweigh his few years’ worth, and that the resulting “person” would be much more Mark Scout than Mark S.
I’m not saying his decisions were rational. There are reasonable conversations to be had about whether he did the smart thing, or the right thing, or whatever. But if you’re starting from a place of “they’re the same person” then it’s pretty hard to imagine having a reasonable conversation.
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The conflict Mark, S and the Innies had was fully fabricated and made no sense. It existed because the show needed it. That’s all.
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But Mark S talks to his outie, it’s himself.. I don’t get, severed as they are, how there’s this visceral distrust of themselves over Lumon.
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Another joke scenario. Being jealous of himself.
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And all this comes down to the McGuffin that is the implant and the device which switches the innies to outies.
.. It sounds like you are struggling to accept the idea of the innies and outies being separate people. And yes, it does sound like you aren’t grasping the basic premise of the show.
Calling the Severance chip a MacGuffin is like calling spice a MacGuffin in Dune. Actually, it’s probably worse. More like calling the gates a MacGuffin in Stargate. The way that our memories and life experiences define us, and the metaphysical question of where one consciousness starts and the other begins, is like the entire fricking point of the show.
The entire series is basically a thought experiment in what defines a “person.” As far as any of the innies are concerned, they are a different person sharing a body with their outie.
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Again, Ms Cobel, allegedly the one behind this technology, could have been called upon to explain some things.
To explain what? To tell Mark S. that “despite your entire existence telling you otherwise, you aren’t really your own person”? Again.. that’s kind of the point. Nobody had that conversation with him because they know that from his perspective, it’s just not true. It would have backfired.
I’d say Mark S. had a pretty good grasp of who he is given the conversation about reintegration. He realizes, rightfully, that Mark Scout’s lifetime of memories would seriously outweigh his few years’ worth, and that the resulting “person” would be much more Mark Scout than Mark S.
I’m not saying his decisions were rational. There are reasonable conversations to be had about whether he did the smart thing, or the right thing, or whatever. But if you’re starting from a place of “they’re the same person” then it’s pretty hard to imagine having a reasonable conversation.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:07 pm to drizztiger
Yeah, that was ridiculous imo, and was the essence of 'forced' conflict. How'd he screw up her name? Certainly Ms Cobel TOLD him what her innie's name was, and yet he glossed over that key point so causally as to botch her name ? That was the spark that enabled Mark S. to get all fussy.
Contrived, I say.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:17 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:How many times can I say this... because oMark doesn't care about iMark. Cobel could have been standing in front of oMark with her name phonetically spelled out and oMark still could have botched it. He got the chip for a reason and wanted to sever himself. You think he has loyalty to the innie? An innie he created? You think the iMark has loyalty to oMark, who created him to be a "slave"?
How'd he screw up her name? Certainly Ms Cobel TOLD him what her innie's name was, and yet he glossed over that key point so causally as to botch her name ?
These are all basic premises of the show.
If you can't understand those concepts, any discussion is fruitless. All you're doing is stacking opinions based on a house of cards.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:19 pm to lostinbr
But Spice IS a McGuffin. Same as the implant. It's the all wonderful Goober thingamajig that enables 'stuff' to happen. Like the override key chip from Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse.
And what could Ms Cobel explain? Oh, I dunno, like how she could arrange for the innies to leave Lumon and carry on existing outside of the office environment?
Let's just forget that everything the innies know, their indoctrination to Lumon policies that office relationships are strictly forbidden, yet here they are. The only reason they're WITH each other is because their outties agreed to be severed and Lumon employed them.
And again, what happens after Cold Harbor? What was the plan for MDR? That can't be glossed over. If Lumon was effectively going to kill Gemma Scout, via wiping her memory , why not to the same with the rest of MDR? The key to all those answers has to be with Ms. Cobel, or at least include her to some degree. If she's telling the truth about the implant tech bieng HER discovery. Which I'm skeptical of, tbh.
And what could Ms Cobel explain? Oh, I dunno, like how she could arrange for the innies to leave Lumon and carry on existing outside of the office environment?
Let's just forget that everything the innies know, their indoctrination to Lumon policies that office relationships are strictly forbidden, yet here they are. The only reason they're WITH each other is because their outties agreed to be severed and Lumon employed them.
And again, what happens after Cold Harbor? What was the plan for MDR? That can't be glossed over. If Lumon was effectively going to kill Gemma Scout, via wiping her memory , why not to the same with the rest of MDR? The key to all those answers has to be with Ms. Cobel, or at least include her to some degree. If she's telling the truth about the implant tech bieng HER discovery. Which I'm skeptical of, tbh.
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 7:22 pm
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:23 pm to lostinbr
quote:Well said and helpful to see it put in different words and analogies.
.. It sounds like you are struggling to accept the idea of the innies and outies being separate people. And yes, it does sound like you aren’t grasping the basic premise of the show.
Calling the Severance chip a MacGuffin is like calling spice a MacGuffin in Dune. Actually, it’s probably worse. More like calling the gates a MacGuffin in Stargate. The way that our memories and life experiences define us, and the metaphysical question of where one consciousness starts and the other begins, is like the entire fricking point of the show.
The entire series is basically a thought experiment in what defines a “person.” As far as any of the innies are concerned, they are a different person sharing a body with their outie.
We all know this poster, but how many people need to explain to him before he realizes he needs to rethink his logic and understand the concepts first.
It's akin into being a rational round earther and getting into an archaeological, geographical, atmospheric discussion with a flat-earther. It's like if you can't agree on core principles, it's an endeavor of futility.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:25 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
You need to look up the word McGuffin and how it's used as a plot device.
The premise of a show isn't a McGuffin.
The premise of a show isn't a McGuffin.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:29 pm to drizztiger
It's easier for you to buy that oMark doesn't CARE for iMark. It's convenient. I see no evidence of that. Helena was ruthlessly dismissive towards Helly, but that's explained away because Helena is Eagan. She's a true believer. WTF does oMark care for Lumon or the success of the company? He just wants his wife back. And teaming up with iMark is his only chance.
Mark has a better chance of surviving OUTSIDE of Lumon than inside. That's just how I see it.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:29 pm to drizztiger
I really don't. it's exactly what the implant is.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:36 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:No, you do. And really should.
I really don't. it's exactly what the implant is.
A premise of a show is not a McGuffin. The whole show is based on chip and the questions, decisions, morality of everything that follows.
You think movies like The Fugitive that a person wrongly accused of murdering his wife is a McGuffin to explain his choices and the story afterwards?
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:46 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:We’ve explained this. Even getting severed was a I don’t care. Getting reintegrated had nothing to do with care for his innie, just Gemma.
It's easier for you to buy that oMark doesn't CARE for iMark. It's convenient. I see no evidence of that
quote:iMark only knows Gemma as Ms. Casey for basically the entire show.
He just wants his wife back. And teaming up with iMark is his only chance.
quote:You are so very much struggling with the prospect that they have two separate memories, experiences, consciousness, and existences.
Mark has a better chance of surviving OUTSIDE of Lumon than inside. That's just how I see it.
The point is there is not one “Mark” and “his” best interest.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:49 pm to drizztiger
No implant, nothing else in the show happens.
You could still have a cultish corporation, but that might be too close to reality for some people.
But THIS show couldn't exist.
Thus, McGuffin.
You could still have a cultish corporation, but that might be too close to reality for some people.
But THIS show couldn't exist.
Thus, McGuffin.
This post was edited on 3/24/25 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 3/24/25 at 7:57 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:That's a premise, not a McGuffin.
No implant, nothing else in the show happens.
Enough of this. Do you, you do it anyway and never want to educate yourself. That's terrible for you.
At least other posters in this thread have explained their disdain or asked intelligent questions, all of which could be legit. We all have our own thoughts and theories, but holy shite dude, you could have Einstein telling you 1 + 1 == 2 as basic math and you'd say, nah bawstein.
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:11 pm to drizztiger
We're not dealing with a timeline thing, or a multiverse thing, but ONE single individual. I GET the intent, work / life balance, but dress it up all you want, at the end of the day, innies are a subset of outies. Who aren't supposed to date. Aren't supposed to raise their kids, aren't supposed vote, all they need to do is focus on work and work related matters.
And for the 5th or 6th time, I lost track, what happens to MDR after Cold Harbor? That's not a trivial matter. The story clearly makes it a big freaking deal.
So don't get mad at me !
And for the 5th or 6th time, I lost track, what happens to MDR after Cold Harbor? That's not a trivial matter. The story clearly makes it a big freaking deal.
So don't get mad at me !
Posted on 3/24/25 at 8:17 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
quote:That’s such a McGuffin. Not the premise of the show at all and the questions and decisions that arise from the McGuffin.
at the end of the day, innies are a subset of outies. Who aren't supposed to date. Aren't supposed to raise their kids, aren't supposed vote, all they need to do is focus on work and work related matters.
It’s just an easy wrench tossed into the show to move the plot.
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