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Posted on 12/29/14 at 5:14 pm to Big Scrub TX
I do want hear some of Jay's theories on who made the call..
Posted on 12/29/14 at 5:24 pm to tccdc
I don't think Sarah necessarily made him look bad...I think evidence that goes against his story was left out of the trial and brought to light in Serial. It seems like Jay is annoyed so now he's saving face. I'm also sure he was paid for that interview and had 100% control of all facets of that interview. I don't really think Jay did it, but I think he played a larger role and is a liar. This whole story is like a case study in human psychology...total mind frick.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 5:38 pm to jordan21210
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I don't think Sarah necessarily made him look bad...I think evidence that goes against his story was left out of the trial and brought to light in Serial. It seems like Jay is annoyed so now he's saving face. I'm also sure he was paid for that interview and had 100% control of all facets of that interview. I don't really think Jay did it, but I think he played a larger role and is a liar. This whole story is like a case study in human psychology...total mind frick.
I'd like to see the transcripts of this interview. He was borderline illiterate in the police tapes. Now he's very articulate.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 5:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Add in the fact that 14 years have passed.
I'd like to see the transcripts of this interview. He was borderline illiterate in the police tapes. Now he's very articulate.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 6:04 pm to Big Scrub TX
I thought he sounded intelligent in the police tapes.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 6:25 pm to jordan21210
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I don't think Sarah necessarily made him look bad...I think evidence that goes against his story was left out of the trial and brought to light in Serial
Agreed. Not to mention, the entire case—the state's theory, the circumstantial evidence, and the limited physical evidence—was centered and molded around Jay's testimony. If one's testimony is the primary driving force resulting in an individual being sent to prison for life, then that testimony needs to be scrutinized. The fact that there were so many holes in his story and should have probably lead to enough reasonable doubt to acquit—yet didn't—is what makes the case so interesting.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 6:44 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 12/29/14 at 6:46 pm to tccdc
the side deals are ridiculous...
Posted on 12/29/14 at 7:25 pm to Big Scrub TX
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shite just got real! His story sounds a little better on this fear of going to prison for years for drug dealing. Still not sure what I think...
Jay's presentation of Adnan is just so inconsistent.
1. He says he merely an acquaintance of Adnan, yet he casually borrows Adnan's car and cell phone. Adnan also knows where his grandma lives (although that could be because that's where he sells drugs). Either he is distancing himself from the relationship or they are the closest acquaintances as possible.
2. Jay presents Adnan as emotionally frustrated from losing Hae, even weeks after they broke up. First of all, I'm not sure how killing her would fix that (maybe if he can't have her, nobody will). That aside, in the trial he states that Adnan is showing some semblance of pleasure, not because Hae is gone, but because he took somebody's life. If Adnan was so emotionally unstable due to being dumped weeks before, would it seem reasonable that he would show some strong emotion, whether due to relief, or despair, that Hae is gone forever; instead, he presents Adnan is rather devoid of emotion, save for the pleasure of being a cold-blooded murder.
3. He presents Adnan as the sole decision-maker in this process, planning and committing the murder with very little physical evidence to speak of, disposing of the body and her car long enough for neither to be found for six weeks (and only finding the car due to Jay's knowledge), and maybe most importantly, and devising threats (above Stephanie's life) and blackmail (about Jay's drug dealing) to keep him quiet. Yet, he really only made two huge mistakes: Getting Jay involved, who (although he may have diminished it) had no functional role, except to implicate Adnan, and not coming up with an alibi in 6+ weeks of time. He's a pretty masterful murderer, evidence disposer, and blackmailer, yet he's too dumb to think up an alibi?
Posted on 12/29/14 at 7:52 pm to buckeye_vol
Jay is a liar. We now have a 4th version from him of what happened. There is just no way Adnan should have been convicted based on this dude's testimony.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:16 pm to Bayou Sam
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I thought he sounded intelligent in the police tapes.
Really? If you read the transcripts they are virtually unintelligible. It's almost not even English.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:23 pm to buckeye_vol
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Jay's presentation of Adnan is just so inconsistent.
Boy is it.
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1. He says he merely an acquaintance of Adnan, yet he casually borrows Adnan's car and cell phone
This part doesn't bother me much. Adnan was good friends with Stephanie.
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2. Jay presents Adnan as emotionally frustrated from losing Hae, even weeks after they broke up. First of all, I'm not sure how killing her would fix that (maybe if he can't have her, nobody will). That aside, in the trial he states that Adnan is showing some semblance of pleasure, not because Hae is gone, but because he took somebody's life. If Adnan was so emotionally unstable due to being dumped weeks before, would it seem reasonable that he would show some strong emotion, whether due to relief, or despair, that Hae is gone forever; instead, he presents Adnan is rather devoid of emotion, save for the pleasure of being a cold-blooded murder.
I agree. I have never bought the motive. If Jay were cheating on Steph and Hae were threatening to reveal it, that's at least as powerful of a motive to me.
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3. He presents Adnan as the sole decision-maker in this process, planning and committing the murder with very little physical evidence to speak of, disposing of the body and her car long enough for neither to be found for six weeks (and only finding the car due to Jay's knowledge), and maybe most importantly, and devising threats (above Stephanie's life) and blackmail (about Jay's drug dealing) to keep him quiet. Yet, he really only made two huge mistakes: Getting Jay involved, who (although he may have diminished it) had no functional role, except to implicate Adnan, and not coming up with an alibi in 6+ weeks of time. He's a pretty masterful murderer, evidence disposer, and blackmailer, yet he's too dumb to think up an alibi?
Yeah, so nonsensical. I wonder if a big part of the reason everything seems so through the looking glass is because it's stoned 17 year olds. Perhaps simple rationality and consistency is way too much to expect.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:26 pm to Bayou Sam
quote:His story changes every time he's recorded.. He sounds sketchy as hell during the police tapes.
I thought he sounded intelligent in the police tapes.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 9:55 pm to tccdc
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Jenn knew that Hae’s death had been caused by strangulation when the police first spoke to her on February 26th, even though that information had not been made publicly available.
Posted on 12/29/14 at 10:38 pm to Big Scrub TX
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This part doesn't bother me much. Adnan was good friends with Stephanie.
The same Stephanie that Jay doesn't take the time to call all the while constantly calling Jen? Something was up with those two (Jen and Jay).
Maybe it's my biases coming through, but I've never been in a situation where I had to borrow or have borrowed a casual acquaintances vehicle (obviously emergencies are different). Maybe this was more common at that time or in Baltimore, or maybe my experience is atypical. I just think this is Jay attempting to distance himself from Adnan, but I don't know he has to distance himself that much to a point that it seems more illogical.
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Yeah, so nonsensical. I wonder if a big part of the reason everything seems so through the looking glass is because it's stoned 17 year olds. Perhaps simple rationality and consistency is way too much to expect.
You're right, and I always gets annoyed when people say how one should act in an unusual and high stress situation.
That being said, my issue, as with all the evidence, is that Adnan's irrational and rational states, with their extreme inconsistencies, always benefit Jay's story. Adnan's frustration and irrationality prior to the murder is evidence that he was in a state of mind to commit such a heinous act. Yet, his cerebral and rational behavior after the murder is the reason why physical evidence was so hard to find and why Jay kept quiet. Then again, his irrationality and absent-mindedness is the reason why he doesn't have an alibi that would have significantly increased the likelihood that he was acquitted.
Every detail—including the unverified, inconsistent, and even highly improbable (borderline impossible)—revolves around Jay's account.
This post was edited on 12/29/14 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 12/29/14 at 11:52 pm to JBeam
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Linkin Park
it's Leakin Park.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 12:30 am to JBeam
Sure, but you can be both sketchy and intelligent.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 11:13 am to buckeye_vol
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Every detail—including the unverified, inconsistent, and even highly improbable (borderline impossible)—revolves around Jay's account.
True. But a big reason we're saying that is that Adnan has effectively said nothing.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 12:10 pm to Big Scrub TX
Given that this is like the 4th (and different) account of Jay's story, I'm not too inclined to believe him. Not to mention he's had plenty of time to think about it and this doesn't seem to be an original transcript at all.
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