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re: Revenge of the Sith, upon re-watch is the best Star Wars movie
Posted on 11/15/13 at 10:11 am to DelU249
Posted on 11/15/13 at 10:11 am to DelU249
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but the movies are all about him. The movies were so focused on him that everything else suffered.
they should have been MORE focused on Anikan.
Phantom doesn't even really have a main character its so all over the place.
he also should have been a teenager from the get go
This post was edited on 11/15/13 at 10:17 am
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Posted on 11/15/13 at 10:34 am to Ace Midnight
Damn, Ace. And I thought I didn't like the prequels 
Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:39 am to Dr RC
TPM doesn't have a main character, Clones has 2, and I guess anakin, who is a boring whiny unheroic psychotic pussy, is the main character of sith
Obi wan should've been the main character in all 3. Anakin should've been a supporting character with huge consequences...Vader was so cool because he was a small part of a larger story...in the prequels he is the story and it blows.
You could do an awesome story about anakin, but given the result we were given, more anakin would've been more boring
Obi wan should've been the main character in all 3. Anakin should've been a supporting character with huge consequences...Vader was so cool because he was a small part of a larger story...in the prequels he is the story and it blows.
You could do an awesome story about anakin, but given the result we were given, more anakin would've been more boring
This post was edited on 11/15/13 at 11:41 am
Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:50 am to OMLandshark
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This is probably one of the top 5 greatest opening images to a film ever. It tells you everything you need to know without saying one damn word. In fact this image is so genius, I suspect that Lucas had nothing to do with it and probably fought against putting it in the film.
Yes, we all agree with Mr. Plinkett in this regard.
The Star Wars movies ranking should be:
Empire
New Hope
Return
Revenge
Phantom
Attack (this may be the worst movie of all time)
Anyone who disagrees is wrong.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:51 am to Ace Midnight
so much promise. I like the idea behind naboo, but when you stick to rear screen projections and cgi as the only means of creating a world, well then it just sucks.
anakin shouldn't have been the main character or the focus. Obi Wan should have.
We didn't need to see everything about anakin. Just have him be an adult human male jedi who is friends with obi wan...someone morally ambiguous, basically a han solo, only his character arc goes the other direction, and it is a huge part of the story, but not THE story.
anakin shouldn't have been the main character or the focus. Obi Wan should have.
We didn't need to see everything about anakin. Just have him be an adult human male jedi who is friends with obi wan...someone morally ambiguous, basically a han solo, only his character arc goes the other direction, and it is a huge part of the story, but not THE story.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 11:53 am to boxcarbarney
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Empire
New Hope
Return
Revenge
Phantom
Attack (this may be the worst movie of all time)
Anyone who disagrees is wrong
I disagree slightly
Empire
STAR WARS
Jedi
TPM
Sith
Clones (this IS the worst movie of all time)
Honestly, I don't think Jedi is very good. It isn't nearly as awful as the prequels, but it certainly isn't the same caliber film as star wars and definitely not Empire (GMOAT)
This post was edited on 11/15/13 at 11:58 am
Posted on 11/15/13 at 12:22 pm to DelU249
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anakin shouldn't have been the main character or the focus. Obi Wan should have
Agreed. OBI Wan should have been the focus of the entire Prequel trilogy.
TPM served absolutely no purpose. there is nothing in TPM that is important for the next two movies to build on. the fact that Anakin was a slave could have been covered in two lines of exposition in the 2nd movie. Qui Gon just serves no purpose. Maul serves no purpose (waste of a great cool looking villain).
The 2nd movie should have been the first one and you should have had Dooku/Maul together as the 2 sith with Palpatine in the shadows
Posted on 11/15/13 at 1:11 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Agreed. OBI Wan should have been the focus of the entire Prequel trilogy.
Correct (they couldn't have sold podracing toys/games, etc.), but ZERO Anakin in the first chapter - that one being about Obi Wan, perhaps his mentor getting killed and discovering the Sith in their midst.
Second chapter: Palpatine moves to consolidate his power. Obi Wan, now a senior Jedi, starts to independently investigate the goings on. Have the Empire take out the bulk of the Jedi at this point (like the Templars or the SA Brownshirts being eliminated, as a historical reference). Obi Wan, Anakin and Yoda take it on the lam. Anakin (secretly an agent of Palpatine for some time) attempts to kill Obi Wan, but the vestiges of his conscience and Yoda's intervention stop him. However, they do not kill him and Anakin escapes.
Chapter Three: Anakin, now Darth Vader (really Darth Vader, not some whiny, bitch-arse poser in a suit), hunts down a half a dozen or so of the remaining Jedi, backed by real Storm Troopers (not clones of Boba Fett's dad - just ludicrous plot holes in all of that $hit).
Obi Wan drops Yoda off in the jungle, while he relocates to the desert to watch over the son of Skywalker, in whose family the force is strong (not some bull$hit about midiclorians - again, the retconning in the prequels was as bad as the acting, directing and overdone special effects.)
Was that so hard?
This post was edited on 11/15/13 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 11/15/13 at 1:31 pm to Ace Midnight
maybe it's just because I think every idea lucas has had since the first star wars is bad, but enough of the padawan, jedi, master, council bullshite.
Jedis are jedis...obi wan is a jedi from 1st to last. Anakin is a jedi from first to last, enough of this sexless monk shite
anakin should've been the han of this series...a morally ambiguous ahole scoundrel pilot, who is corrupted by the idea of power and joins palpatine...he should've been vader from some point in the second half of the second movie. Just my 2 cents, but I would love to have him be the antagonist of at least one of the films...and at no point should the complete vader suit be shown...he gets fricked up, but he has more injuries and battles before he becomes the fully deformed vader from the OT. Why did everything have to be put in place exactly as it was at the beginning of Star Wars?
maybe there is a showdown in the end of the second film and vader, who just turned on his friends in a crucial moment, gets horribly burned when obi wan force throws some fricking acid or some shite wherever they're fighting that burns him. obi wan flees...the only time in the entire series vader should lose a fight is against luke. obi wan gets lucky both times and ESCAPES with his life, vader gets scarred, then maybe pierced through the lung by a lightsaber, and then needs a breathing apparatus, but it is very crude looking and he looks evil as shite. He walks around sporting a mechanical arm and some shite bolted into his chest running up that covers his mouth and nose...i always thought the vader suit had been put together over decades as the injuries and deformities mounted because vader was fricking crazy and would battle any number of people/creatures...i also thought he hunted down most of the jedi personally and so the injuries have taken their toll.
Jedis are jedis...obi wan is a jedi from 1st to last. Anakin is a jedi from first to last, enough of this sexless monk shite
anakin should've been the han of this series...a morally ambiguous ahole scoundrel pilot, who is corrupted by the idea of power and joins palpatine...he should've been vader from some point in the second half of the second movie. Just my 2 cents, but I would love to have him be the antagonist of at least one of the films...and at no point should the complete vader suit be shown...he gets fricked up, but he has more injuries and battles before he becomes the fully deformed vader from the OT. Why did everything have to be put in place exactly as it was at the beginning of Star Wars?
maybe there is a showdown in the end of the second film and vader, who just turned on his friends in a crucial moment, gets horribly burned when obi wan force throws some fricking acid or some shite wherever they're fighting that burns him. obi wan flees...the only time in the entire series vader should lose a fight is against luke. obi wan gets lucky both times and ESCAPES with his life, vader gets scarred, then maybe pierced through the lung by a lightsaber, and then needs a breathing apparatus, but it is very crude looking and he looks evil as shite. He walks around sporting a mechanical arm and some shite bolted into his chest running up that covers his mouth and nose...i always thought the vader suit had been put together over decades as the injuries and deformities mounted because vader was fricking crazy and would battle any number of people/creatures...i also thought he hunted down most of the jedi personally and so the injuries have taken their toll.
This post was edited on 11/15/13 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 11/15/13 at 1:38 pm to Tiger Ryno
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The 2nd movie should have been the first one and you should have had Dooku/Maul together as the 2 sith with Palpatine in the shadows
no, nothing from the prequel trilogy was right...you don't start anywhere...you scrap everything...if any movie is dying to be reimagined or remade it is these turds. They fricked up every single detail possible. But lucas won't do that because it would be admitting his faults as a filmmaker, it would undo all of the extended universe shite that movie goers do not give two shits about, and really we've taken enough abuse and want something new...I used to think "anakin" and my imagination would run wild...now that the god awful trilogies have been made, I think "anakin" and get sick to my stomach if not instinctively bored.
eta: i know lucas sold to disney, but he had 10 years to come out and say, I want a do over or to give you something good...these movies sucked.
This post was edited on 11/15/13 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 11/15/13 at 1:51 pm to DelU249
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I think "anakin" and get sick to my stomach if not instinctively bored.
Casting is everything. The little kid was bad - HC was even worse.
Kind of my problem with Abrams' Star Trek (particularly Pine as Kirk) - but that is a complaint for another thread and another audience.
This post was edited on 11/15/13 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 11/15/13 at 1:56 pm to Ace Midnight
I mean, portman and a host of other actors turned in dud performances...I think anakin should've been an adult from the get go, but what could HC have done?
The writing, direction, everything in this movie set him up for failure.
the character did need swag though, and he couldn't have delivered that, but he wasn't written with any charm.
The writing, direction, everything in this movie set him up for failure.
the character did need swag though, and he couldn't have delivered that, but he wasn't written with any charm.
This post was edited on 11/15/13 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 11/15/13 at 2:04 pm to DelU249
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I think anakin should've been an adult from the get go, but what could HC have done?
The problem is - he isn't proven like Neeson, Portman, MacGregor and the others. And he was terribly bad. AND he was in almost every scene of Cartoon Menace and Revenge of, you know.
He was spectacularly bad. You're correct to point out that virtually everyone else was bad too - the sole exception is that MacGregor really seemed to care - if anybody actually got into a character that was believable in the prequels, it was him.
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The writing, direction, everything in this movie set him up for failure.
No question it was an impossible task. So was the Spartans' mission at Thermopylae.
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the character did need swag though, and he couldn't have delivered that, but he wasn't written with any charm.
All of that is true.
This post was edited on 11/15/13 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 11/15/13 at 2:14 pm to Ace Midnight
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No question it was an impossible task. So was the Spartans mission at Thermopylae.
I never thought as a child, that my vision of the prequels could've been so superior to what was going to be made.
anything would've been better shite, I still convince myself that I like the phantom menace...and i do believe that it is the best piece of shite out of the 3 giant pieces of shite.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 3:49 pm to DelU249
After seeing TPM, the initial reaction was utter disbelief. WTF did I just watch here?
The rest were equally as disappointing, but none more disappointing than that first moment.
The rest were equally as disappointing, but none more disappointing than that first moment.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 3:57 pm to statman34
Because it was the first. You expect the next one to be better not fricking worse
Posted on 11/15/13 at 5:23 pm to DelU249
Remember when the trailer came out for Phantom Menace? People lost their shite. I wish I could go back to that time, the time before Phantom Menace came out, so that I can be happy with Star Wars again and be excited about the coming prequels.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 5:46 pm to boxcarbarney
The only thing worse the TPM was having to watch it again in 3D with my kids.
Posted on 11/15/13 at 5:54 pm to COONASS SUSHI
Tpm stayed bad,aotc got worse as time went on
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