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re: Rank the Star Trek Captains
Posted on 3/31/11 at 12:39 pm to theunknownknight
Posted on 3/31/11 at 12:39 pm to theunknownknight
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III= saves spock AND prevents the use of Genesis from DESTROYING Earth or other planets
I could accept that argument for II, although Khan's blind hatred for Kirk really prevented him from warping away with the Genesis device. Also, if Khan had warped away, the entire Federation would converge upon the Reliant and as Kirk says, "we knew something about these starships he didn't."
It's not valid for III, seeing as Kruge never had the information to begin with.
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Posted on 3/31/11 at 12:46 pm to glaucon
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just because you're first, doesn't make you the best...just ask any girl who's lost her virginity to you...
That is not true if you happen to be Kirk.
So true, he would "boldly go where no man had gone before".
One slight captain oversight left off the list. At the begininng of Wrath of Kahn the Enterprise is a designated training ship and it is under the command of Captain Spock who relinquishes his command to Admiral Kirk to go chase Kahn.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 12:51 pm to 4nmylifetime
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Captain Spock who relinquishes his command to Admiral Kirk to go chase Kahn.
Key phrase, Spock knew his place.
FTR, since this has been brought up:
Kick
Spock
Archer (above Picard for the simple fact that he was a true Pioneer)
Picard
Posted on 3/31/11 at 12:59 pm to Fletch F Fletch
Who gives a crap about both either Veridian 3 (I wouldn't care if it was just Veridian but as it is Veridian 3 you know they have more of them) and the Ba'ku (personally the Ba'Ku seemed like the villains in that movie so I am going to say that should be a negative rather than a positive)? Also, stopping a mad man bent on revenge and galactic conquest who happened to have a doomsday device rates above those two and since Saizon (whatever his name was from X) is so damn emo he would have eventually slit his wrists and died listening to Hawthorne Heights on his own eventually that I have to say that Kahn was a far greater threat to the galaxy. Finally, I will concede V although it was Kirk vs the Devil. In any case, the final count is 5 v 1.5 in Kirk's favor.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:13 pm to glaucon
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theunknownknight
agreed with not including Spock as one of the main captains. That'd be like ranking Scotty because he held the rank of captain.
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glaucon
Just because you didn't enjoy the films featuring the Veridian system (i'll change the nomenclature to indicate it was an entire star system), the Ba'ku, and Shinzon doesn't mean they don't exist (within that universe, of course...i'm aware they don't exist IRL) and you can just dismiss them out-of-hand to pad the numbers.
"Well, the Jets scored 4 touchdowns, and the Dolphins scored 4 touchdowns, but i don't like the guy who ran in the 3rd Dolphin touchdown and that 2nd Jets touchdown was a 87 yd pass, which is cool, so it's better than the others...JETS WIN BY 2!"
Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:16 pm to Fletch F Fletch
Janeway was the worst by far!!!! On her first mission she got lost and it took her seven years to find the way back home! Talk about your women drivers!!
Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:19 pm to Fletch F Fletch
Yes I can as the standard was Earth/Federation/Galaxy/Universe not random planets and people that no one cares about.
Edit: I also clearly gave credit to Picard for VIII and X but since you quibbled about fighting the devil I took off half a save for the emo bitch.
Edit: I also clearly gave credit to Picard for VIII and X but since you quibbled about fighting the devil I took off half a save for the emo bitch.
This post was edited on 3/31/11 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:19 pm to SouGent
Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:28 pm to glaucon
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Yes I can as the standard was Earth/Federation/Galaxy/Universe not random planets and people that no one cares about.
you are aware that "random planets and people" are contained within your Earth/Federation/Galaxy/Universe taxonomy, right? Somewhere in between galaxy and universe, i'd imagine...
And how boring would 726 episodes and 11 movies be if every single one of them was "standard", whatever that means in science fiction, or even regular fiction.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:34 pm to Fletch F Fletch
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you are aware that "random planets and people" are contained within your Earth/Federation/Galaxy/Universe taxonomy, right? Somewhere in between galaxy and universe, i'd imagine...
And how boring would 726 episodes and 11 movies be if every single one of them was "standard", whatever that means in science fiction, or even regular fiction.
When I said saving the Galaxy and Universe I meant literally saving the whole Galaxy and Universe from something not some random planet and/or group of absurdly beautiful people inside of it with the one clearly labeled exception of Earth. Thus, again, Veridian III (which if we are going to quibble is actually Kirk's save and not Picard as he couldn't kick the arse of one limey scientist on his own) and the Ba'Ku don't count.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 2:05 pm to glaucon
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Picard talked a good game but how many times did he save the earth/federation/galaxy/universe via a bare knuckled fist fight? For that matter how many times did he save via any method the earth/federation/galaxy/universe in comparison to Kirk?
in this line of argument, which you yourself devised, never was there a caveat that "crap no one cares about" would be excluded from a list of the film accomplishments, and i took your escalation of organizations to mean "from the earth to the universe, including everything in between" (sorry).
going back to the first point, Kirk did no physical fighting to save the earth...universe in I, II, III, IV, V, or IV. In III he fought to save his life on the exploding genesis planet, and in VI he fought in the caves and tundra of Rura Penthe. Picard physically fought to save the earth...universe in VIII (when the destruction of the borg queen prevented earth from being assimilated) and did not physically fight in VII, IX and X. Now, series work, that's a different subject; kirk hands down.
via the "any method" point, (within the scope of the canon films, not conjecture as to what may or may not happen within the storyline after the film ends) Kirk saved the earth...universe in I and IV (VI, if you count a peace conference between 3 powers "the galaxy"). Picard saved the earth...universe in VIII.
so that's 2 vs 1, a number i think anyone can live with and agree with, no matter your personal opinion on which captain you like the most.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 2:15 pm to Fletch F Fletch
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agreed with not including Spock as one of the main captains. That'd be like ranking Scotty because he held the rank of captain
Yeah but was Scotty ever the assigned direct commander of the Enterprise. Spock shouldnt be in the discussion of ranking the Captains but technically he is on the list since it was his ship for a short period of time.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 2:31 pm to 4nmylifetime
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Yeah but was Scotty ever the assigned direct commander of the Enterprise. Spock shouldnt be in the discussion of ranking the Captains but technically he is on the list since it was his ship for a short period of time.
this is all true, for sure. if i was doing that, of course i'd say April, Pike, Kirk, Spock, Kirk
Posted on 3/31/11 at 3:19 pm to SouGent
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Janeway was the worst by far!!!!
If she fricks Q they all get to go home, and sex is just touching fingers, and she says no. frick that bitch. Any time I watch Voyager I just always hope the enemy wins and they all die
Posted on 3/31/11 at 3:21 pm to Fletch F Fletch
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this is all true, for sure. if i was doing that, of course i'd say April, Pike, Kirk, Spock, Kirk
If we are going to count Spock don't we have to count Decker?
Posted on 3/31/11 at 3:26 pm to glaucon
true story, forgot about Rev. Camden
Posted on 3/31/11 at 3:37 pm to Fletch F Fletch
This is easily the nerdiest discussion I have had since like Tuesday and I seemed to have retained my unused TOS knowledge.
Posted on 3/31/11 at 3:45 pm to glaucon
oh for sure. knowing i'd probably hit my 1000th post like this has depressed me since last night,
also, not to push my shite on anyone, but this isn't the first time i've nerdgasmed all over the place...my buddy and I got into a huge fight over the function of the captain's chairs on the various Enterpri (plural of enterprise)... his take on the subject and my rebuttal
also, not to push my shite on anyone, but this isn't the first time i've nerdgasmed all over the place...my buddy and I got into a huge fight over the function of the captain's chairs on the various Enterpri (plural of enterprise)... his take on the subject and my rebuttal
Posted on 3/31/11 at 3:45 pm to 4nmylifetime
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Spock shouldnt be in the discussion of ranking the Captains but technically he is on the list since it was his ship for a short period of time.
Then, shouldn't Riker and Jellico also be included?
Posted on 3/31/11 at 3:56 pm to Someone
I just have one question...Did the Battle-bridge have a swivel chair?
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