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re: Question for Game of Thrones book readers (Spoilers)
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:17 pm to ladytiger118
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:17 pm to ladytiger118
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And based on that Entertainment Weekly cover it doesn't seem like they're trying to hide it either.
Which is bullshite for people trying to avoid spoilers. I will displeased if Arya is the one to do the deed. In the books, I don't think Arya has ever been in the same room as Littlefinger.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 5:18 pm
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:27 pm to OMLandshark
I think she was at the Tourney of the Hand but yeah, she really doesn't know Littlefinger. Hell, Jon knows him better than she does 
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.This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:28 pm to ladytiger118
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I think she was at the Tourney of the Hand but yeah, she really doesn't know Littlefinger
In the show, yes, but I paid attention to this in the rereads. Arya is not present there and they made note of it.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:35 pm to cascadia
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I'm on the middle of A Dance With Dragons and possibly ice just missed it but it doesn't tough too much on what Varys has done
wait until you get to one last chapters of the book and then you will understand what Varys is doing
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:15 pm to OMLandshark
If were talking show, arya was Tywins cup bearer at harrenhal when LF paid a visit there.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 6:31 pm to TigerintheNO
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wait until you get to one last chapters of the book and then you will understand what Varys is doing
I think it's the epilogue.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:04 pm to OMLandshark
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That said Conleth Hill is perfectly cast as him.
It's probably well known by everyone but he originally read for the part of Robert Baratheon. Both roles were perfectly cast because I can't see him in that role at all, and can't imagine anyone else playing Varys.
I commend those of you who can keep everything straight between the books and the show. As many times as I've read the books and watched the show I still have difficulty with it.
I do like the theory that she may have sent a raven to Brandon at Riverrun (intercepted by LF) but I think I remember reading that she was much closer to Ned and Benjen than Brandon. If we run with that theory would it make more sense for her to send word to Ned (was he in the Vale still?) or Benjen at Winterfell?
I do think it's a cool way for LF to know the truth yet still stick it to Ned (and his memory) by reminding everyone that the honorable Ned Stark broke his wedding vows.. Once it becomes useful to him he'll use the information. Knowing him he probably has the original message from Lyanna rolled up and tucked away in his sleeve
On another note, I think it's possible Arya having his dagger in the promotional pictures is meant to be misleading. As much as they have tried to keep information secretive it's surprising to me that they'd allow that so far in advance of the season if it's such a huge plot point.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:45 pm to jefforize
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If were talking show, arya was Tywins cup bearer and harrenhal when LF paid a visit there.
One of the main reasons season 2 is still my favorite.
I've always wondered if Littlefinger recognized Arya but he didn't say anything because who knows why.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:45 am to OMLandshark
quote:They would all still find out, dude. If not, nothing in the plot would change. Robert could whine all he liked. If Lyanna said she loved someone else, he'd just have to deal with it. Same with Ned.
Because her father would declare war on the Targaryens. If she sent one to the Vale where Ned was, Ned would not be understanding either, especially since her betrothed was there. Brandon was rebellious and more understanding, so he was probably her best bet.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:04 am to OMLandshark
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Brandon at the time was in Riverrun, where he just carved up a young Littlefinger
I (non book reader)must have missed this. What happened?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:43 am to GumboDave
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I (non book reader)must have missed this. What happened?
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In 282 AC, when the date of Catelyn's wedding was announced,[10] Petyr, scarcely fifteen years old, challenged the twenty-year old Brandon Stark to a duel for her hand.[2] He arrived with only a helm, breastplate and mail, leading to Brandon taking off most of his own armor. Petyr asked Catelyn for her favor to wear, but she refused, giving it to Brandon instead.[18][19] Catelyn begged Brandon not to kill Petyr, to which he agreed. While Brandon offered Petyr multiple chances to yield, Petyr refused to give up. In the end, Petyr was staggering and bleeding from a dozen wounds, when Brandon ended the battle with a backhand cut so brutal Catelyn Tully was convinced it was mortal.[19]
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:44 am to OMLandshark
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I have a Crackpot theory on this. Lyanna did send a raven, and it was to her brother Brandon. Brandon at the time was in Riverrun, where he just carved up a young Littlefinger. While LF was being healed in the Maesters room, a raven arrives. LF gets up from his bed, reads it, and then throws it into the fireplace from there as a "frick you" to the Starks. From there Catelyn's betrothed is killed and a dynasty falls due to him burning the letter. This radically turns LF's views on society as a whole, and quickly realizes what the burning of that letter did.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 10:54 am to ALLin4LSU
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I do like the theory that she may have sent a raven to Brandon at Riverrun (intercepted by LF) but I think I remember reading that she was much closer to Ned and Benjen than Brandon. If we run with that theory would it make more sense for her to send word to Ned (was he in the Vale still?) or Benjen at Winterfell?
Ned has a reputation of really taking his honor to extremes. He would not have allowed Lyanna to go with Rhaegar. It's why the Kingsguard actually fight Ned because they know he's as bound by his honor as they were and would likely hand over Lyanna and Jon to Robert. It's why Lyanna had to get that promise out of him before dying. Benjen was like 13 during this, so he's not of much help either. Brandon was Lyanna's best bet.
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I do think it's a cool way for LF to know the truth yet still stick it to Ned (and his memory) by reminding everyone that the honorable Ned Stark broke his wedding vows.. Once it becomes useful to him he'll use the information. Knowing him he probably has the original message from Lyanna rolled up and tucked away in his sleeve
The letter really isn't all that important years later. Everyone except Robert knows that Lyanna ran off with Rhaegar and wasn't abducted/raped. Even if they found out about it, people would just think LF was being childish instead of a conniving mastermind to get Brandon Stark killed. The only thing the burning of the letter does is get Brandon to recklessly go to King's Landing and get killed for it, thus kicking off Robert's Rebellion. It also got the wheels turning on LF turning into the monster he becomes.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:37 am to RollTide1987
Generation Xerox is in effect.
Lyanna and Arya are the same.
Both were tomboys that roughed with the boys and neither thought much of people like Robert and Brandon.
The only reason Eddard loved Robert so much was he was Brandon in every way.
Lyanna ran off with Rhaegar simply because he was everything a knight should be and more. Rather than be a wife to a philanderer like her brother.
The question really is did Rhaegar bring back plural marriage.
Lyanna and Arya are the same.
Both were tomboys that roughed with the boys and neither thought much of people like Robert and Brandon.
The only reason Eddard loved Robert so much was he was Brandon in every way.
Lyanna ran off with Rhaegar simply because he was everything a knight should be and more. Rather than be a wife to a philanderer like her brother.
The question really is did Rhaegar bring back plural marriage.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:37 am to OMLandshark
OK. I thought you meant the raven was sent after the fact, just letting them know she was OK, but not in time for them to do anything about it.
I didn't really factor in ages because 13/14 in this story isn't young.
Anyway, it's one of the better theories out there.
I didn't really factor in ages because 13/14 in this story isn't young.
Anyway, it's one of the better theories out there.
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