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re: Question for Game of Thrones book readers (Spoilers)
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:41 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:41 am to RollTide1987
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If that's the case, then Littlefinger is more than likely aware (or at least suspicious) of Jon Snow's true lineage.
I don't think LF (at least in the books) is aware of it. It's for the same reason Jaime hasn't figured it out: it's too fricking funny to him that the honorable Ned Stark would cheat on his wife. LF has also convinced himself that he popped Cat's cherry, so I think LF has forced himself to not even consider it.
Aside from Robert, no one in the Seven Kingdoms actually thinks that Lyanna was abducted and raped. They know she consciously ran off with Rhaegar, so reading the letter doesn't really change if LF would have figured it out or not.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 9:50 am
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:48 am to ohiovol
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Why would Lyanna send the raven to Riverrun? I feel that it would just make more sense to send it to Winterfell.
Because her father would declare war on the Targaryens. If she sent one to the Vale where Ned was, Ned would not be understanding either, especially since her betrothed was there. Brandon was rebellious and more understanding, so he was probably her best bet.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:50 am to RollTide1987
Doesn't littlefinger believe that the white walkers and night king exist?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:56 am to Tiger1242
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I find some of your "hot takes" hilarious.
It's not a hot take - it's a common complaint online. Even GRRM was laughing about it on his blog. Cersei has a line in the show like "nobody trusts LF." Martin was like "uhh in the books, everyone trusts littlefinger. That's why he wins." He just does dumb shite in the show that book LF would never do. The showrunners whiffed on him big time, just like they did with Loras
Even his voice has changed to make him more villainous. Listen to him in S1 and then again in a later season. It's this awful, faux-sinister tone. I love Aidan Gillen as an actor too.
Even his ultimate goal is different. LF does not want the throne for himself, he's way too smart for that. What does the show give us? Longing stares at the throne and dialogue about wanting it
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Martin opened up about the character who was most altered to fit the small screen: Westeros’ own Machiavelli, Petyr “Littlefinger” Baelish:
“Book Littlefinger and television show Littlefinger are very different characters. They’re probably the character that’s most different from the book to the television show. There was a a line in a recent episode of the show where, he’s not even present, but two people are talking about him and someone says ‘Well, no one trusts Littlefinger’ and ‘Littlefinger has no friends.’ And that’s true of television show Littlefinger, but it’s certainly not true of book Littlefinger. Book Littlefinger, in the book, everybody trusts him.
Everybody trusts him because he seems powerless, and he’s very friendly, and he’s very helpful. He helps Ned Stark when he comes to town, he helps Tyrion, you know, he helps the Lannisters. He’s always ready to help, to raise money. He helps Robert, Robert depends on him to finance all of his banquets and tournaments and his other follies, because Littelfinger can always raise money. So, he’s everybody’s friend. But of course there’s the Machiavellian thing. He’s, you know, everybody trusts him, everybody depends on him. He’s not a threat. He’s just this helpful, funny guy, who you can call upon to do whatever you want, and to raise money, and he ingratiaties himself with people and rises higher and higher as a result.”
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 10:10 am
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:58 am to cascadia
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I'm on the middle of A Dance With Dragons and possibly ice just missed it but it doesn't tough too much on what Varys has done. Sure I can find some things directly related to his meddling but I can't think of anything major at the moment.
Varys escalated Aerys madness and played him against his son Rhaegar. Since then he has been raising a so-called "Aegon" to inherit the Iron Throne as well as getting Dany some support, although I suspect it only has to do with getting her dragons and then killing her once he has them in her grasp. He manipulated Tyrion into murdering his father, and is manipulating Cersei from a distance turning her even crazier like he did Aerys.
Varys in personality I think is the most changed from book to show. I think he's pretty fricking evil in the books, but in the show he is shockingly genuine. Everyone fears Varys in the books, but no one in the show fears him and mock him to his face. That said Conleth Hill is perfectly cast as him.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:58 am to Cow Drogo
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Doesn't littlefinger believe that the white walkers and night king exist?
I don't think so in the show, and certainly not in the books. He's in for a rude surprise.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:02 am to Carson123987
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Even his voice has changed to make him more villainous. Listen to him in S1 and then again in a later season. It's awful. I love Aidan Gillen as an actor too.
Roy Doltrice's interpretation of Littlefinger is perfect. That's how I imagine his voice when I read it.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:08 am to OMLandshark
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I have a Crackpot theory on this.
Plausible theory. The writers should work it in as a flashback as some point to help tie things together in the final season.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:11 am to ohiovol
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If Littlefinger ends up on the throne, I hope the White Walkers win.
Fair enough.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:12 am to OMLandshark
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That said Conleth Hill is perfectly cast as him.
hes probably the most well-cast person on the show. I think Martin even said the same thing, something along the lines of being the closest to how he imagined
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:16 am to OMLandshark
Who does actually believe the white walkers exist?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:52 pm to Carson123987
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Even his voice has changed to make him more villainous. Listen to him in S1 and then again in a later season. It's this awful, faux-sinister tone. I love Aidan Gillen as an actor too.
This has really annoyed me, too.
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It's not a hot take - it's a common complaint online. Even GRRM was laughing about it on his blog. Cersei has a line in the show like "nobody trusts LF." Martin was like "uhh in the books, everyone trusts littlefinger. That's why he wins."
To be fair, he's not completely correct about that, either. Cersei may trust Littlefinger, and Robert certainly did, but there have been plenty of people who do not. Tyrion doesn't, and I really didn't get the sense that the other Lords in the Vale trusted him, either.
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just like they did with Loras
I'm also not sure I agree with this. They could have included another impressive feat or two, but I think some of the criticisms of his show portrayal are unfair.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:08 pm to ohiovol
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Tyrion doesn't, and I really didn't get the sense that the other Lords in the Vale trusted him, either.
Tyrion is the only person in the series (perhaps with the exception of Varys) who sees Littlefinger for who he truly is. The Vale Lords simply look down on him due to his low birth and underestimate him. Even Tywin fails to see Littlefinger for the danger he represents.
Littlefinger knows this and is the reason why he has tried to get Tyrion killed a ridiculous number of times. He can't have anyone knowing what a monster he actually is.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:39 pm to ohiovol
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To be fair, he's not completely correct about that, either. Cersei may trust Littlefinger, and Robert certainly did, but there have been plenty of people who do not. Tyrion doesn't, and I really didn't get the sense that the other Lords in the Vale trusted him, either.
i dont think he meant literally everyone. Tyrion is the only character that knows LF's true nature
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I'm also not sure I agree with this. They could have included another impressive feat or two, but I think some of the criticisms of his show portrayal are unfair.
i disagree. even GRRM's editor said that show loras is a "gay cartoon." They just use him for the gay sex scenes so the show can get their diversity points each season. infinitely better character in the books
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:43 pm to Carson123987
Does Tyrion know littlefinger had him framed for Joffrey murder.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:43 pm to Carson123987
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i dont think he meant literally everyone. Tyrion is the only character that knows LF's true nature
While this clearly won't happen in the show, if Sir Too-Fat-to-Write-A-Book allows someone to finish the series after he kicks the KFC bucket, I really hope ADOS is more the War of the Three Hands, with Littlefinger, Varys, and Tyrion being the Hands. Littlefinger and Varys will try to hide in their castles, while Tyrion will advise Dany to assist Jon is saving the realm instead of conquering it.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:48 pm to Cow Drogo
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Does Tyrion know littlefinger had him framed for Joffrey murder.
No. He thinks Sansa acted alone in killing Joffrey, which makes sense at first, but I think Tyrion will find out the truth regardless.
Also I'm pretty damn confident Littlefinger told Sir Mandon to kill Tyrion as well, but Tyrion thinks Cersei is responsible for that. I'd say if Cersei was, no way in hell would we not have found that out in her POV chapters. That would be an obsession of Sir Mandon's failure. Sir Mandon's appointment to the Kingsguard is suspicious and no one likes him at all, but he is from the Vale and was appointed after Littlefinger's arrival. He is almost certainly his spawn.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:57 pm to OMLandshark
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While this clearly won't happen in the show, if Sir Too-Fat-to-Write-A-Book allows someone to finish the series after he kicks the KFC bucket, I really hope ADOS is more the War of the Three Hands, with Littlefinger, Varys, and Tyrion being the Hands.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:06 pm to ladytiger118
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Makes me wonder what's going to happen this season with LF, especially since they show Jon grabbing him by the neck in the trailer.
Execution via Arya using the very same Valyrian steel dagger that started this whole mess.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 5:09 pm to Korin
And based on that Entertainment Weekly cover it doesn't seem like they're trying to hide it either.
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