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re: 'Peacemaker' Season 2 Discussion Thread - EP 2 now playing. SPOILERS!
Posted on 10/6/25 at 5:50 pm to imjustafatkid
Posted on 10/6/25 at 5:50 pm to imjustafatkid
Again that says more about you then anything else. What was so ideal? They had terrorism they had very little shown other than no black people. What made it ideal?
I admit they didn't flesh out the nazi world that well but we only had one episode with the reveal.
It's earth x you know what it is if you read the comics.
I admit they didn't flesh out the nazi world that well but we only had one episode with the reveal.
It's earth x you know what it is if you read the comics.
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 5:56 pm to Espritdescorps
Man. I've studied the hell out of ww history. I've read his book. He tried to get the German christians on his side. He pushed a new belief based on nordic traditions and what they called "positive christianity". Yes he was hostile towards christians but also needed them to back him. He dealt with Muslims but he saw them as lesser humans. Undermenschen. They weren't equals. White christians were.
You can subgigate a populace but erasing religion is not easy. Many people think the show did a good job with the twist. I guess if i was aligned with fricking nazis i would be upset. I don't know i don't get your point i guess.
You can subgigate a populace but erasing religion is not easy. Many people think the show did a good job with the twist. I guess if i was aligned with fricking nazis i would be upset. I don't know i don't get your point i guess.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 6:43 pm to udtiger
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They made the place seem like a perfect place to live.
A perfect place for who? Disregarding the constant "terror" attacks, there are large groups of people who live their lives in prison camps. I doubt they'd share your view.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 6:45 pm to imjustafatkid
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The people who got their panties in a wad about that are clearly the types who love this kind of nonsensical garbage being casually thrown around about Christianity and conservatives.
I see the problem. You think conservatives own Christianity.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:17 pm to Napoleon
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Did you listen to the podcast and hear that are or you repeating what someone else said? I'm going to say that wasn't said exactly like that.
Nope, I don't watch podcasts. I have no reason not to believe what others have stated was said in the podcast because they made it pretty obvious that's what they were going for with the dialogue present in the episode.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:19 pm to Napoleon
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Again that says more about you then anything else. What was so ideal? They had terrorism they had very little shown other than no black people. What made it ideal?
The fact you can't admit that they made Earth X seem ideal says way more about you than it does about me.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:20 pm to ATrillionaire
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I see the problem. You think conservatives own Christianity.
Apparently you have a very strange relationship with the English language. But hey, by all means, if you believe they were trying to tie modern liberal "Christians" to Nazism, you do you.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:21 pm to ATrillionaire
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A perfect place for who? Disregarding the constant "terror" attacks, there are large groups of people who live their lives in prison camps. I doubt they'd share your view.
They very clearly made this other world out to be ideal prior to the "big reveal." That isn't some off the wall comment.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:23 pm to Napoleon
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Man. I've studied the hell out of ww history. I've read his book. He tried to get the German christians on his side. He pushed a new belief based on nordic traditions and what they called "positive christianity". Yes he was hostile towards christians but also needed them to back him. He dealt with Muslims but he saw them as lesser humans. Undermenschen. They weren't equals. White christians were.
All of this is false. 100% completely.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 7:23 pm
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:33 pm to imjustafatkid
I don't want to live in a place where people live in camps and work as slaves. I don't want to live in any non democratic system. Our system isn't perfect but it's the best around. .
What was ideal? We had 37 minutes in that world after the reveal. We learned that terrorism is rampant. The police are nazis. But because you didn't see black people or non whites that made it ideal?
Maybe middle Washington state is just ideal I don't know. But to say that is crazy. What's it say about me? Well I'm not a fricking nazi sympathizer for one . Lol. Two i realize that it's a show with a limited time. They had to make the world seem perfect. So that peacemaker would want to stay. Yet it had to be so fricked up we knew he would leave when finding out. What One thing could do that?
Then you had cosmo earlier saying it should have been communist. Why? Nazis are the perfect villain. They were an evil regime with no good points. The world is better for not having the reich. But one character said one thing in a podcast that YOU DIDN'T EVEN HEAR . Making it enough for you to defend nazis in a movie board and your wondering why your being questioned?
What was ideal? We had 37 minutes in that world after the reveal. We learned that terrorism is rampant. The police are nazis. But because you didn't see black people or non whites that made it ideal?
Maybe middle Washington state is just ideal I don't know. But to say that is crazy. What's it say about me? Well I'm not a fricking nazi sympathizer for one . Lol. Two i realize that it's a show with a limited time. They had to make the world seem perfect. So that peacemaker would want to stay. Yet it had to be so fricked up we knew he would leave when finding out. What One thing could do that?
Then you had cosmo earlier saying it should have been communist. Why? Nazis are the perfect villain. They were an evil regime with no good points. The world is better for not having the reich. But one character said one thing in a podcast that YOU DIDN'T EVEN HEAR . Making it enough for you to defend nazis in a movie board and your wondering why your being questioned?
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:46 pm to imjustafatkid
What? Man i don't want to further derail this thread with your poliboard bullshite but I'll go point by point.
(Yes i used AI in not typing out a long arse reply that won't get read anyway, but still nothing it says contradicts what I've said)
In public, especially during his rise to power, Hitler pretended to align with Christian values to appeal to Germany’s overwhelmingly Christian population (about two-thirds Protestant and one-third Catholic at the time).
Political cover: He frequently invoked “Providence” or “the Almighty” in speeches to frame the Nazi cause as divinely ordained.
Cultural unifier: He used religious language to portray his movement as compatible with “positive Christianity,” a vague, Nazi-approved version of faith stripped of Jewish influence and focused on obedience, nationalism, and racial purity.
Control tactic: He sought to bring both Protestant and Catholic churches under state supervision—creating the Reich Church—to ensure clergy would preach loyalty to Hitler, not the Bible.
His True Hostility Toward Christianity
Privately, Hitler and the Nazi elite were anti-Christian. Their correspondence, diaries, and private conversations reveal contempt for Christian ethics, which they saw as weak and incompatible with their ideology.
Hitler’s statements: In the Table Talk records, he called Christianity “a rebellion against natural law” and said its compassion for the weak undermined humanity’s survival.
Nazi leadership: Heinrich Himmler and others promoted pagan, pseudo-Germanic traditions instead.
Suppression: Priests, pastors, and religious dissidents who opposed Nazi policies were imprisoned or executed. Over 2,500 Catholic clergy ended up in concentration camps; Protestant pastors like Dietrich Bonhoeffer were hanged.
Bottom Line
Hitler didn’t believe in Christianity; he weaponized it. Publicly, he posed as a man of faith to win votes and legitimacy. Privately, he sought to dismantle Christianity and replace it with
On Islam.
He viewed Islam as a “warrior religion.” According to accounts from his inner circle (notably Albert Speer and Heinrich Himmler), Hitler admired Islam’s historical emphasis on conquest, obedience, and sacrifice for faith — qualities he considered aligned with Nazi ideals of strength and loyalty.
He lamented history’s “wrong turn.” Hitler supposedly said that if the Franks had adopted Islam instead of Christianity, “we would have conquered the world.” He saw Christianity’s compassion as weakness, while Islam’s militant history appealed to his Darwinian worldview.
---
2. Political Pragmatism
During WWII, Hitler and the Nazis sought alliances in Muslim-majority regions, particularly the Middle East and the Balkans. This was purely strategic.
Allies of convenience: Nazi Germany courted Arab and Muslim leaders opposed to British and French colonial rule, and especially those hostile to Jews.
The Grand Mufti connection: Hitler met Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, in 1941. The Mufti supported Germany, spread Nazi propaganda in Arabic, and helped recruit Muslims for Waffen-SS divisions (like the “Handschar” division in Bosnia).
Shared enemies: The alliance was built on mutual opposition to Britain, the Soviet Union, and Zionism — not shared faith.
--- napoleon's take--
Hitler used people in any way he could to gain power. He did not like any religon but he was forced to make nice with Christians. Just as exec Stalin couldn't cancel out Christianity no way Hitler could either. We do not know what church is around or really anything about that world. What we do know is based on Hitler's writings and what that tells us is he would say and do anything to get a stronger Germany. Thankfully we don't know what a 3rd reich would look like.
But to say it's false when your basing this entire argument off a podcast comment you didn't even hear is assinine.
(Yes i used AI in not typing out a long arse reply that won't get read anyway, but still nothing it says contradicts what I've said)
In public, especially during his rise to power, Hitler pretended to align with Christian values to appeal to Germany’s overwhelmingly Christian population (about two-thirds Protestant and one-third Catholic at the time).
Political cover: He frequently invoked “Providence” or “the Almighty” in speeches to frame the Nazi cause as divinely ordained.
Cultural unifier: He used religious language to portray his movement as compatible with “positive Christianity,” a vague, Nazi-approved version of faith stripped of Jewish influence and focused on obedience, nationalism, and racial purity.
Control tactic: He sought to bring both Protestant and Catholic churches under state supervision—creating the Reich Church—to ensure clergy would preach loyalty to Hitler, not the Bible.
His True Hostility Toward Christianity
Privately, Hitler and the Nazi elite were anti-Christian. Their correspondence, diaries, and private conversations reveal contempt for Christian ethics, which they saw as weak and incompatible with their ideology.
Hitler’s statements: In the Table Talk records, he called Christianity “a rebellion against natural law” and said its compassion for the weak undermined humanity’s survival.
Nazi leadership: Heinrich Himmler and others promoted pagan, pseudo-Germanic traditions instead.
Suppression: Priests, pastors, and religious dissidents who opposed Nazi policies were imprisoned or executed. Over 2,500 Catholic clergy ended up in concentration camps; Protestant pastors like Dietrich Bonhoeffer were hanged.
Bottom Line
Hitler didn’t believe in Christianity; he weaponized it. Publicly, he posed as a man of faith to win votes and legitimacy. Privately, he sought to dismantle Christianity and replace it with
On Islam.
He viewed Islam as a “warrior religion.” According to accounts from his inner circle (notably Albert Speer and Heinrich Himmler), Hitler admired Islam’s historical emphasis on conquest, obedience, and sacrifice for faith — qualities he considered aligned with Nazi ideals of strength and loyalty.
He lamented history’s “wrong turn.” Hitler supposedly said that if the Franks had adopted Islam instead of Christianity, “we would have conquered the world.” He saw Christianity’s compassion as weakness, while Islam’s militant history appealed to his Darwinian worldview.
---
2. Political Pragmatism
During WWII, Hitler and the Nazis sought alliances in Muslim-majority regions, particularly the Middle East and the Balkans. This was purely strategic.
Allies of convenience: Nazi Germany courted Arab and Muslim leaders opposed to British and French colonial rule, and especially those hostile to Jews.
The Grand Mufti connection: Hitler met Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, in 1941. The Mufti supported Germany, spread Nazi propaganda in Arabic, and helped recruit Muslims for Waffen-SS divisions (like the “Handschar” division in Bosnia).
Shared enemies: The alliance was built on mutual opposition to Britain, the Soviet Union, and Zionism — not shared faith.
--- napoleon's take--
Hitler used people in any way he could to gain power. He did not like any religon but he was forced to make nice with Christians. Just as exec Stalin couldn't cancel out Christianity no way Hitler could either. We do not know what church is around or really anything about that world. What we do know is based on Hitler's writings and what that tells us is he would say and do anything to get a stronger Germany. Thankfully we don't know what a 3rd reich would look like.
But to say it's false when your basing this entire argument off a podcast comment you didn't even hear is assinine.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 10/6/25 at 7:57 pm to imjustafatkid
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Apparently you have a very strange relationship with the English language. But hey, by all means, if you believe they were trying to tie modern liberal "Christians" to Nazism, you do you.
Sir, they mentioned Jesus in the episode. At what pt did they reference a political party or idealism? You're the one tying Christianity to conservatism, hence why I said you've assigned ownership. Do you understand now?
Posted on 10/6/25 at 9:56 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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Your Democrat friends and coworkers consider you to be a Nazi? Are they saying this to your face or are you just assuming that's how they think of you?
I have a coworker that I travel with that is well aware I voted for Trump 2/6 times ( meaning I voted against him 4/6 times) that will bring up every complaint against Trump like I am tacitly endorsing everything he has ever done. He throws around Fascist, Nazi, and authoritarian regularly.
I have a post on the poliboard about how difficult this was for me to navigate.
Yes, they are saying that voting for him tepidly (because the other choice was a farce) is Naziism to my face.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 8:12 am to Napoleon
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Napoleon
OK, it's obviously a waste of my time to continue discussing this with you, so I'm done with it.
Anyone who believes the revisionist nonsense that Nazis were aligned with Christians, and not Muslims, should simply perform 2 web searches:
1. How many German Christians were killed by the Nazis?
2. How many German Muslims were killed by the Nazis?
Then just do a little reading about who nearly 100% of all Muslims killed by the Nazis actually were, and you'll discover nearly all of them were members of the Russian Red Army. There is no solid evidence that ANY German Muslims were killed by the Nazis, or any Muslims at all who weren't also members of an opposing army. Not a single one. And before we go there: yes, there were millions of Muslims living in Germany during WW2.
ETA: Any take on Nazis that shows them as God-fearing Christians is nonsensical, and completely ignores the historical evidence available to literally everyone.
This post was edited on 10/7/25 at 8:30 am
Posted on 10/7/25 at 8:19 am to 3nOut
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I have a coworker that I travel with that is well aware I voted for Trump 2/6 times ( meaning I voted against him 4/6 times) that will bring up every complaint against Trump like I am tacitly endorsing everything he has ever done. He throws around Fascist, Nazi, and authoritarian regularly.
I have a post on the poliboard about how difficult this was for me to navigate.
Yes, they are saying that voting for him tepidly (because the other choice was a farce) is Naziism to my face.
Yep. This is 100% the modus operandi of all on the left. 100%. The guy you responded to is simply deflecting because he doesn't want to face the truth of how vile the left in this country has gotten.
Posted on 10/7/25 at 10:18 am to imjustafatkid
Look guy if your just going to make up stuff to further your "point" this gets no where.
Millions?
Of course less Muslims were killed. Germany was majority Christian.
I get it your personal bias has made Muslims the villian in this part of history. Yet i choose to keep the target on Nazis. Also it's a god damn comic book show and your crying like a bitch because they made the nazis the bad guy. It's funny to me.
But keep on doing you. Maybe your reich will return one day.
What it comes down to is. What is the Arabic proverb we ALL KNOW? What is a long term Arabic ideal that predates Islam? == "The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend". Of course the enemy of the colonial powers and the zionist would be favorable to Islam. Yet in no way is there any evidence that Nazis were going to introduce Islam. Back to my point that christianity survived every purge. It would have survived Nazism. And lastly one line from Judomaster really isn't enough to know what religion is in that world. It may be 95% atheist it may be a new form of nazi-christianity. We don't know most of us who aren't snowflakes dont care. Its a tv show not life.
Millions?
quote:
The Muslim population in Germany before the mid-20th century was very small. [embed]According to a Middle East Forum article, in 1933 there were “over 1,000” Muslims in Germany[/embed], mostly students, exiles, former POWs, etc.
A more rigorous demographic study of Muslim populations starting in 1950 and forward estimates “Germany: Estimates … from 1,000 or less” for the Muslim population before 1950 (in the dataset “World Muslim Population 1950-2020”).
Historiographically, Nazi Germany did not record religion for most prisoners or inhabitants unless religion was directly relevant (e.g. Jews). Many records were destroyed. So reconstructing minority religious populations is very hard.
There were Muslim units recruited by the Germans from occupied territories (e.g. Volga Tatars, Turkestanis) to fight in the Wehrmacht or Waffen-SS, but those populations were not long-term residents of Germany proper.
Of course less Muslims were killed. Germany was majority Christian.
I get it your personal bias has made Muslims the villian in this part of history. Yet i choose to keep the target on Nazis. Also it's a god damn comic book show and your crying like a bitch because they made the nazis the bad guy. It's funny to me.
But keep on doing you. Maybe your reich will return one day.
What it comes down to is. What is the Arabic proverb we ALL KNOW? What is a long term Arabic ideal that predates Islam? == "The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend". Of course the enemy of the colonial powers and the zionist would be favorable to Islam. Yet in no way is there any evidence that Nazis were going to introduce Islam. Back to my point that christianity survived every purge. It would have survived Nazism. And lastly one line from Judomaster really isn't enough to know what religion is in that world. It may be 95% atheist it may be a new form of nazi-christianity. We don't know most of us who aren't snowflakes dont care. Its a tv show not life.
This post was edited on 10/7/25 at 10:33 am
Posted on 10/7/25 at 10:42 am to Napoleon
Guys, we are wildly off-topic here. Can we please leave all this out of this thread?
Posted on 10/7/25 at 11:12 am to Boss
quote:Or get it out of your system before the finale on Thursday.
Guys, we are wildly off-topic here. Can we please leave all this out of this thread?
Posted on 10/7/25 at 11:19 am to Fewer Kilometers
Can we take a moment to appreciate Vigilante #2 breaking through a second window instead of jumping through the one #1 used when he attacked Auggie?
Posted on 10/7/25 at 11:29 am to Esquire
Ok. Back to the show. I got it out. He can have last word. My point is made. It's just a show.
That said. Did we get the right Vigilante back?
Or was it our vigilante that stayed to help Harcourt? I wonder if the vigilante that stayed behind died.
Also i started the cartoon show that goes with Peacemaker. Creature Commandos, actually a decent adult cartoon. Could we see any of them with Argus?
Also with the casting of Man of Tomorrow and Tim Meadows being signed to the film I'm thinking he may be a metahuman. Martian Manhunter. It would be perfect. Maybe explain his bird blindness.
But I'm glad to see he's joining the DCEU.
That said. Did we get the right Vigilante back?
Or was it our vigilante that stayed to help Harcourt? I wonder if the vigilante that stayed behind died.
Also i started the cartoon show that goes with Peacemaker. Creature Commandos, actually a decent adult cartoon. Could we see any of them with Argus?
Also with the casting of Man of Tomorrow and Tim Meadows being signed to the film I'm thinking he may be a metahuman. Martian Manhunter. It would be perfect. Maybe explain his bird blindness.
But I'm glad to see he's joining the DCEU.
This post was edited on 10/7/25 at 12:30 pm
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