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re: 'Peacemaker' Season 2 Discussion Thread - EP 2 now playing. SPOILERS!
Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:16 pm to Espritdescorps
Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:16 pm to Espritdescorps
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Now they did the american reich alternate reality right… maybe because it was based on the literary genius of philip k dick. It kind of went off the rails after season 1
I watched through the end of season 1. Been meaning to get back into it. Disappointing to hear it went off the rails after that. Is it worth continuing?
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Posted on 10/6/25 at 3:40 pm to imjustafatkid
Maybe you know a lot more abt Nazis than Gunn does. Show grace and patience with those less knowledgeable than yourself.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 4:00 pm to ATrillionaire
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Maybe you know a lot more abt Nazis than Gunn does. Show grace and patience with those less knowledgeable than yourself.
It is common knowledge that Nazi Germany persecuted Christians, aligned with Muslim countries due to their shared hatred of the Jews, and used Muslim troops. Hitler admired Islam and considered it a far more useful religion than Christianity. None of these statements should be revelations for you. This isn't some secret knowledge that shouldn't be known by anyone with even a passing interest in World War 2.
You make yourself look like a moron by pretending this is something only people who "know a lot more abt Nazis" would know.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 10/6/25 at 4:03 pm to imjustafatkid
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You make yourself look like a moron by pretending this is something only people who "know a lot more abt Nazis" would know.
Your words, not mine. I said maybe you know a lot more abt Nazis than Gunn. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 4:06 pm to ATrillionaire
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Your words, not mine. I said maybe you know a lot more abt Nazis than Gunn. Nothing more, nothing less.
I quoted you. Your meaning was clear, and your response proves it. You aren't clever.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 10/6/25 at 4:14 pm to imjustafatkid
Well you may be dyslexic.
But to entertain you (and I hate doing this because it derails the thread), what purpose would Germany have for Islam or any Arab and Semetic people if the war was over and won? The public admiration for Islam was clearly pragmatic and strategic, rather than genuine.
Hitler is dead. You're literally arguing abt a fictionalize future under Nazi rule and/or influence. Does the USA look the same as it did in 1940?
But to entertain you (and I hate doing this because it derails the thread), what purpose would Germany have for Islam or any Arab and Semetic people if the war was over and won? The public admiration for Islam was clearly pragmatic and strategic, rather than genuine.
Hitler is dead. You're literally arguing abt a fictionalize future under Nazi rule and/or influence. Does the USA look the same as it did in 1940?
Posted on 10/6/25 at 4:23 pm to imjustafatkid
The third reich didn't exist for long enough to know how they would have handled religion long term. They didn't expell the church nor did they ban worship. So it's plaisible the church survived the nazi purge. The best comparison would be the soviets. They were atheist. In many ways worship was banned. Yet the orthadox church didn't die. St Basil's stayed open. Religion survived. So it's likely similar would happen in a nazi America. Likely a nazi US would be more like the american nazi movement of the 30s.
But again they had one episode in the reveal. But enough time to flesh everything out.
But again they had one episode in the reveal. But enough time to flesh everything out.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 4:29 pm to ATrillionaire
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But to entertain you (and I hate doing this because it derails the thread), what purpose would Germany have for Islam or any Arab and Semetic people if the war was over and won? The public admiration for Islam was clearly pragmatic and strategic, rather than genuine.
This is a great question, but at the end of the war nothing of this sort had occurred so we can't know. It is definitely possible that Hitler would have turned on Islam and the Arab countries Germany aligned with at some point, maybe even probable, but that certainly wouldn't have resulted in a turn toward Christianity so that still wouldn't result in the "Nazi America" shown in Peacemaker. It's nonsensical to combine these two things in a realm that is supposed to be a fictionalized version of a modern Nazi-controlled world.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 10/6/25 at 4:33 pm to Napoleon
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The best comparison would be the soviets. They were atheist. In many ways worship was banned. Yet the orthadox church didn't die. St Basil's stayed open. Religion survived. So it's likely similar would happen in a nazi America. Likely a nazi US would be more like the american nazi movement of the 30s.
I didn't say Christianity would die. That will never happen. In this world they created for Peacemaker, though, they clearly stated these Nazis love Jesus and Christianity. They weren't referring to the rebel movement, which would almost certainly be aligned with the underground church in such a hypothetical much like we see in areas of the modern world where Christianity is banned. It's not like there aren't examples of just that we can see being lived out today.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 10/6/25 at 4:43 pm to imjustafatkid
I think you are looking too far into . Just enjoy the show or don't
Posted on 10/6/25 at 4:46 pm to Napoleon
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I think you are looking too far into . Just enjoy the show or don't
Just responding to you, the person who stated this was a depiction of actual Nazis. That is clearly false.
Overall I thought the episode was fine, but it is definitely not an allegory of anything happening today in the USA by any stretch of the imagination. If they truly wanted that to be the case, as was seemingly made clear during the show during the Scrabble game, and apparently clarified on the podcast about the show, they are clowns with no objective sense of reality.
This post was edited on 10/6/25 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 10/6/25 at 4:57 pm to imjustafatkid
Also everything we know about that universe is from Two unreliable narrators. Vigilante is an idiot and only knows a little so not much was said. Judomaster read a few books and based what he said from what he read. What if he just happened to go into the house of a religousc person? Maybe a person who was purged hence why the house was empty. We don't know. We don't know what the 3rd reich would have looked like thankfully.
But I'm not going to let one throw away line upset me like y'all are.
But I'm not going to let one throw away line upset me like y'all are.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 5:00 pm to Napoleon
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Also everything we know about that universe is from Two unreliable narrators. Vigilante is an idiot and only knows a little so not much was said. Judomaster read a few books and based what he said from what he read. What if he just happened to go into the house of a religousc person? Maybe a person who was purged hence why the house was empty. We don't know. We don't know what the 3rd reich would have looked like thankfully.
But I'm not going to let one throw away line upset me like y'all are.
Apparently they stated on the podcast that they were making a statement about modern America, so it's not just multiple (you yourself highlighted 2) "throw away" lines.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 5:04 pm to imjustafatkid
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Is it worth continuing?
Yeah i mean i still enjoyed it.. it just got kind of hard to follow.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 5:07 pm to Espritdescorps
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Yeah i mean i still enjoyed it.. it just got kind of hard to follow.
Thanks.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 5:15 pm to imjustafatkid
FYI, if the other dimension was intended to be some sort of slam against the USA in its current for (or, Hell, life under real Nazi rule), they sure did a shitty job of it. They made the place seem like a perfect place to live.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 5:22 pm to udtiger
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FYI, if the other dimension was intended to be some sort of slam against the USA in its current for (or, Hell, life under real Nazi rule), they sure did a shitty job of it. They made the place seem like a perfect place to live.
It's true. It's almost comical how idyllic they made the other universe.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 5:23 pm to imjustafatkid
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It is common knowledge that Nazi Germany persecuted Christians, aligned with Muslim countries due to their shared hatred of the Jews, and used Muslim troops. Hitler admired Islam and considered it a far more useful religion than Christianity. None of these statements should be revelations for you. This isn't some secret knowledge that shouldn't be known by anyone with even a passing interest in World War 2. You make yourself look like a moron by pretending this is something only people who "know a lot more abt Nazis" would know.
Haha you speak 100 percent truth and get flamed for it. Hitler had planned on outlawing Christianity entirely after the war. So the comment that the judomaster character makes “they love him here” in response to someone saying Jesus Christ, makes zero sense and only serves as inflammatory virtue signaling.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 5:33 pm to Espritdescorps
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Haha you speak 100 percent truth and get flamed for it. Hitler had planned on outlawing Christianity entirely after the war. So the comment that the judomaster character makes “they love him here” in response to someone saying Jesus Christ, makes zero sense and only serves as inflammatory virtue signaling.
Yep. It's complete nonsense. The people who got their panties in a wad about that are clearly the types who love this kind of nonsensical garbage being casually thrown around about Christianity and conservatives.
Posted on 10/6/25 at 5:47 pm to imjustafatkid
Did you listen to the podcast and hear that are or you repeating what someone else said? I'm going to say that wasn't said exactly like that.
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